GRRR. People.

Axolotl safe gravel= siliconed gravel.
As far as i am concerned thats the only time its safe, and it needs to be siliconed to death for meto even say its safe! Like put it through extreme tests to make sure they will never move!
 
She said 'its fine if she swallows it" like what? How about you swallow a bag of that gravel and tell me you're fine...

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Oh wow, that is pretty pathetic.. Ive even heard of impaction from sand, normally juveniles because they are more likely to eat a lot off the sand(i mean if you feed them from a jar or dish it lessens the risk, and plus i hand feed mind nightcrawlers, though i have no substrate)
My favorite is still the im keeping the gravel because its more natural then sand or bare bottom, if they dont eat the gravel in the wild they wont eat it in my tank.... Hmmm, what!? Ive never seen multi colored gravel in the wild? And its been proven they did not live in a lake full of gravel, more or less sand, maybe a little gravel, but i mean how big was that lake? How many just died naturally from gravel consumption even if there was, its not like we caught every death and opened them up, seeing how they breed in captivity, even if only 10survived from a batch of 800 that is a good day.
 
Yes, I agree!!
People need more education.......
I recently brought a new axie inthe family again, which I purchased from a pet shop. They were in a tank with gravel, the lady who served me gave me the third degree about my tank set up etc before bagging up my new friend, then she came to talking about gravel in my tank set up (which i do not have) I said oh no gravel in mine unlike the stuff you have in there (pointed to the shop set up) How do I know she hasnt alredy swollowed gravel?
Shop assisatnt reply..... "the only came in yesterday." (This left me dumfounded, and I just wanted to take the poor thing home now)
2.5 weeks later........ 3 x 1.3mm - 1.5mm stones were in the bottom of the tank (not happy)
Rang the store to tell them and they denied keeping the axies in with gravel and said it came from my setup, if i was concerned about the animal to take it to the vet.

Again dumfounded that they could be this dumb.

On a good note, poor Sallie after being distressed for an hour or so (so would I after that) is now happy.
 
I would be super angry if that was my axie! Some pet stores though.. That is completely unacceptable. If this ever happens again id be takin pictures before taking my axie home and keeping the receipt, so you have hard evidence that this is true. Pet stores need to be responsible for their ignorance!

Glad your axie is doing good now though :) at least it is in good hands now!
 
Thanks Alkyhalide, and yes I was mad :angry:.
I have since bagged the gravel and going to take it back...... Im going to walk in and hand it to them asking if they want it back!
If it were a dog or a cat this would be considered animal cruelty!!

This pet stores motto "bringing people and pets together", well true to some form, because Sallie and I have had a few good bonding sessions since!!
 
It is pretty madening! Do it! Haha i would bring the gravel that was regurigitated up with naybe even a picture of your gravel free setup and say what the worker had told you before you brought your lotl home.
After hearing so many bad pet shop stories i am kind of glad i cant get an axolotl within a 1200km radius from my house and had to get mine shipped from the wonderful lydia off caudata :)
 
So I am doing my research before I start keeping axolotls again and I am finding there is much more information available about axolotls than many years ago when I last kept them which is fantastic :happy:

I like to research as much as possible and as part of my research I recently went to visit a local store specialising in reptiles and amphibians. I asked what information they had available and although they didn't have any handouts or books/guides etc they emailed a couple of links to websites that would be useful.

They also showed me the axolotls they had in the store. I noticed their axolotls were on gravel. I asked them whether they had any issues with them on gravel as I had read that sand is a much safer option. They replied saying that the axolotls are smart enough not to eat the gravel and spit it out if they accidentally pick some up.

Adding to this concern was that one of the website links they gave me happened to be the link to axolotl.org which explains gravel is not safe and recommends sand as a safer alternative. It seems quite odd and worrying that they provide information stating gravel is not safe but use gravel in their tank....

I am relunctant to risk using gravel but am curious to know what the theory is behind why sand is a safer alternative?

I would prefer a substrate over a bare bottom tank so I am leaning towards sand. What is the best way to keep the sand clean? Does the sand get stirred up a lot?

I can't wait to set up my new axolotl home and start keeping them again! :happy:
 
So I am doing my research before I start keeping axolotls again and I am finding there is much more information available about axolotls than many years ago when I last kept them which is fantastic :happy:

I like to research as much as possible and as part of my research I recently went to visit a local store specialising in reptiles and amphibians. I asked what information they had available and although they didn't have any handouts or books/guides etc they emailed a couple of links to websites that would be useful.

They also showed me the axolotls they had in the store. I noticed their axolotls were on gravel. I asked them whether they had any issues with them on gravel as I had read that sand is a much safer option. They replied saying that the axolotls are smart enough not to eat the gravel and spit it out if they accidentally pick some up.

Adding to this concern was that one of the website links they gave me happened to be the link to axolotl.org which explains gravel is not safe and recommends sand as a safer alternative. It seems quite odd and worrying that they provide information stating gravel is not safe but use gravel in their tank....

I am relunctant to risk using gravel but am curious to know what the theory is behind why sand is a safer alternative?

I would prefer a substrate over a bare bottom tank so I am leaning towards sand. What is the best way to keep the sand clean? Does the sand get stirred up a lot?

I can't wait to set up my new axolotl home and start keeping them again! :happy:

Well as a start they are kind of right about one thing, axies do spit out some of the gravel they accidentally get in their mouth. But not all of it. Same as sand.

Axolotl's will end up eating gravel that they are on, feeding dishes and hand feeding is not going to help that. Small and smooth gravel will usually be passed, but at best that has to be uncomfortable/painful and at worst they can eat a large amount that can cause them to be impacted. They can eat anything smaller than their head so even large gravel/small rocks can be eaten.

Sand has it's issues too. It will get eaten, people who say "oh but I use feeding jars or hand feed" sound just like gravel users. Sand can stay in an axies system for MONTHS, and most sand that you get in an average pet store is quite coarse with lots of sharp edges. Just like the gravel I'd guess it's uncomfortable/painful to pass. There's been a lot less studies on the effects of sand but any reptile owner will tell you that sand can cause impaction very easily, forming a cement-like blockage in the gut.

Of course, bare bottom is hard to keep clean, can stress the axies out as they slip and slide around on it, can stress axies out when they see their own reflections in the bottom and don't allow for plants.

I usually recommend slate or some other kind of bottom similar to that, but the silicone takes ages to seal and if you're in a hurry that's no good (plus doesn't allow for changes later) and, as I've recently found, slate cna be hard to find and even harder to cut to the right size.

So the short version is axies aren't good on any substrate? sand is (for now) the safer of the two, just get as fine a sand as possible.
 
I just think since sand is their natural environment that at least you have that going for you.hense why i dont go around saying "her you have sand take that out that will kill them!" Well if i see a little juvie on sand i normally tell them they can get impacted and it should be removed at least until they are bigger.

I for this debate do have bare bottom since i find it a million times easier to clean! Rocks and decorations must be moved to clean because poop finds every available crevice to hide it. I use bathroom caddies to plant my plants in :) plus it adds extra levels in the tank that they love playing on.

Whatever you decide just dont use gravel! Plain and simple lmao
 
I attached a rock texture background to the bottom of my tank. Though not exactly natural, it looks better than a glass floor IMO. 100% axolotl safe as there's no chance any small parts come loose. And my axolotl now has some more friction making it easier to walk around.
These backgrounds can be bought in every pet store and are made of some foam like stuff that's easy to cut to the size of your tank. You have to silicone it down as it floats when you don't.

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Thanks Alkyhalide, and yes I was mad :angry:.
I have since bagged the gravel and going to take it back...... Im going to walk in and hand it to them asking if they want it back!
If it were a dog or a cat this would be considered animal cruelty!!

This pet stores motto "bringing people and pets together", well true to some form, because Sallie and I have had a few good bonding sessions since!!

Take some stones in with you and force feed the pet store owners. See how they like to digest stones, I'm sure they will be fine! ;)
 
silicone takes ages to seal and if you're in a hurry that's no good (plus doesn't allow for changes later)

Aha - I have solved the problem! I have got sand siliconed down onto an acrylic board that has been cut to exactly the right size for the bottom of the tank. It's in 2 halves, with plastic plants stuck down to assist with removal for cleaning.

It was made outside of the tank and allowed to cure for 4 days, meaning it was no more trouble to fit than a normal water change. The sand comes off eventually, but it's easy to repair by removing it from and adding a silicone/sand patch.

There is no excuse for keeping axies on gravel - it's just ignorance.
 
Thanks everyone for your advice :)

I think I will start off with sand and see how it goes. But I do like the idea of the rock texture background. That is a clever idea :)
 
Omg it winds me up, theres a marine shop in mortlake that keep theirs on gravel and everytime i go in i tell them, ive even seen goldfish in their with them :( but they just ignore me saying they are fine. Argh...... Why wont people just listen :(
 
ONCE AGAIN. there's this person on instagram that is keeping their axolotl on lots and lots of gravel. And they're feeding minnows FROM THE RIVER. disease? Parasites? Anyone? And they're all heated because I'm trying to tell them what to do, but I'm just trying to help....

And another person told me they're SUPPOSED to go on gravel. -.-

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Unfortunately, if they aren't going to listen, there's not much you can do. It sounds cruel, but if they end up making their axolotls sick or killing them, they might be more willing to listen in the future. It's a bit heartbreaking that the poor animals have to suffer, though.
 
So sad:/

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I attached a rock texture background to the bottom of my tank. Though not exactly natural, it looks better than a glass floor IMO. 100% axolotl safe as there's no chance any small parts come loose. And my axolotl now has some more friction making it easier to walk around.
These backgrounds can be bought in every pet store and are made of some foam like stuff that's easy to cut to the size of your tank. You have to silicone it down as it floats when you don't.

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Huh, I REALLY like that! I just wish it would work better with plants :p
 
I fed my bullfrogs trout and crayfish from a stream and did fine. The truth is there probably isn't going to be much of anything bad in a stream............well it depends on the stream. However you are right it is generally a bad idea, especially for axis that are cb. My bullfrogs were wc and live in a pond so they were fine but for a cb axolotl it is not a good idea because they are more sensitive to stuff. A good diet though :p. -Seth
 
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