This guy should be jailed or shot - axolotl cruelty

[GazerOfStars]

Correction: Axolotls are not endangered (as listed on the ESA), but their trade is controlled by the Convention on International Trade of Endangered Species (CITES), appendix II. This means that their wild populations are in danger (and not because we ate them all), and their trade is restricted to people with lots of money to buy paperwork.

There's no possibility of axolotls becoming extinct, at least in captivity. Unfortunately, this is the case for many animals; wild populations are imperiled or gone, but there is a healthy captive population. Ever eaten salmon? Unless you caught it yourself (and it wasn't stocked!), it was farmed. Wild salmon have been so overfished that they're at risk of becoming endangered, so we eat farmed. No one goes out and shoots wild cows because, well, there aren't any wild cows now. Just farmed ones.

I knew about the CITES, but not about its status on the ESA.

So, I will stand corrected

Still seems a shame to me, but I won't ramble about my opinion any longer :wacko:

On another note, this picture on the guy's website is enough to make me not want to eat his Axolotls

It...It haunts my dreams...

 

[Neotenic_Jaymes]

There is nothing cruel about this video and no one should be jailed or shot unless the animals were slowly tortured to death, and even then no one will be thrown in jail for torturing a salamander. I hate to be the person to burst anyone's bubble but they ARE salamanders. Don't get me wrong, I have an unhealthy obsession with axolotls and raise as many as I possibly can, but come on people!

Axolotls are EXTREMELY common in captivity. I could eat 500 of my juveniles this morning for breakfast and the captive population wouldn't suffer in the least. We aren't talking about giant pandas or manatees here. These animals are what I like to call "explosive breeders" and are about as hardy as goldfish.

I find it hilarious that people get so upset over this one video of a guy eating axolotls, and claim it to be animal cruelty, yet there are countless horror stories of users on this site with axolotls who live long (well, sometimes), miserable lives and eventually die due to improper husbandry...which can only be accurately described as neglect. So it's ok for members to literally love their axolotls to death, but this guy who has clearly been taking excellent care of his animals is chastised for eating 2 out of however many hundreds (or thousands) he's raised in the past 40 years?! That's ridiculous.

If anyone should be jailed for cruelty it should be the people who ignore advice and cause the animals to suffer because they are too incompetent to keep them properly.

I agree with Jake and his statement.

I think there is much evidence of cruelty on the Axolotl forums here. The awkward thing is no one outwardly attacks one another for killing Axolotls on here. I can honestly say a lot of Axolotls that are being reported dead on here that aren't natural deaths. Its due to ignorant/bad care which is considered cruel. I think its cruel that Axolotls are being reported dead on Caudata.org every day! Don't you guys?

Isn't it cruel to slowly kill an Axolotl? How many threads have people posted about their dead Axolotls that they have obviously killed. I see a lot of replies saying "sorry about your loss better luck next time" but no one says cruelty! But if someone eats a Axolotl he gets ripped?

GazerOfStars did you report the guy yet? Or you waiting on someone else to do it?

 

[GazerOfStars]

I agree with Jake and his statement.

I think there is much evidence of cruelty on the Axolotl forums here. The awkward thing is no one outwardly attacks one another for killing Axolotls on here. I can honestly say a lot of Axolotls that are being reported dead on here that aren't natural deaths. Its due to ignorant/bad care which is considered cruel. I think its cruel that Axolotls are being reported dead on Caudata.org every day! Don't you guys?

Isn't it cruel to slowly kill an Axolotl? How many threads have people posted about their dead Axolotls that they have obviously killed. I see a lot of replies saying "sorry about your loss better luck next time" but no one says cruelty! But if someone eats a Axolotl he gets ripped?

GazerOfStars did you report the guy yet? Or you waiting on someone else to do it?

I have no intention of reporting this. I doubt anyone here on the internet has the influence to stop this guy from doing what he has done for decades.

My whole dilemma was based on my ill-conceived notions about endangered species.

Heck, I didn't even know that Salmon were over-fished and its population was trouble in the wild.

I'm not a yuppie that's out to protect every living creature. I saw this as a guy, and many other people in that culture, who were carrying on these cooking habits in complete disregard of the Conservation acts. But, like i said before, I've been corrected.

Total tangent: Neotenic_Jaymes, You said Mexicans have used Axolotls for certain medicines? You've got me curious on this subject, what kind of medicine have they contributed to?

 

[Kaysie]

I think Jaymes is referring to the native Mexican Indians using axolotls as medicine in much the same way the Chinese use animals for medicine.

 

[GazerOfStars]

I think Jaymes is referring to the native Mexican Indians using axolotls as medicine in much the same way the Chinese use animals for medicine.

I got that. I was just curious for what specific medicine Axolotls were used for among those people. Believed aid in the restoration of wounds?

It would be a nice tidbit when I tell my relatives about my axies this weekend

 

[Neotenic_Jaymes]

Total tangent: Neotenic_Jaymes, You said Mexicans have used Axolotls for certain medicines? You've got me curious on this subject, what kind of medicine have they contributed to?[/QUOTE]

Do you not believe me?

Well currently they're being used for regenerative medicines applied to humans. If you Google it tons of articles pop up. I was actually referring to their native use as medicines in the past. I know the Aztecs used them for a source of medicine but I don't know the details. Its been said in articles that they were used for natural meds in Mexico in past times and currently. You can still go down to Mexico in certain areas and find Ambystoma mexicanum/andersoni/others in food markets sold as food/medicine.

My idea of using a Axolotl for natural medicine could be as simple as Axolotl soup with the right herbs to ease stomach pain. Or a Axolotl pickled in alcoholic liquid for a certain drink. I come from a tribal people and I've seen my parents use small reptiles/amphibians for medicines. People seem to use unique or creepy things for medicine. The Chinese use turtles shells, Africans use rhino horns, and Aztecs use Axolotls.

GazerOfStars there is a lot of Axolotl cruelty to address isn't there? Did you check the (Sick Axolotl) threads? No time to get into medicines that can wait for later.

 

[GazerOfStars]

Sir, you completely misread my tone. Kaysie pointed out my flawed info and I've moved on.

I know about the present day studies in the genetics of Axolotls. A biology class at a university near me has studied Axolotls for their regenerative abilities.

I was keen in their historic uses, I wasn't doubting your credibility in the slightest. Just thought you knew more on the subject :blush:

I know many native cultures have used for the organs of the animals in their habitat for various purposes.

Ever since I got my Axies I've been trying to absorb all the knowledge I can about them

 

[kiathepooch]

Google is the easiest,quickest way to find out more about axolotls minus this site.
Or books.....



Sent,using the power of my mind.....

 

[Neotenic_Jaymes]

I was keen in their historic uses, I wasn't doubting your credibility in the slightest. Just thought you knew more on the subject :blush:

I did feel like you were doubting and attacking me. Since this whole thread is started off on attacking and doubting. I'm not hot over this discussion between me/Jaymes and you/GazerOfStars just heated over wrongly aimed cruelty and the current cruelties ignored.

Glad you learned/realized something.

 

[Linus]

Happy holidays everyone. Linus loves you.

 

[GazerOfStars]

Honest to frog I didn't mean anything by it. And I apologize if it came off that way.

I came on strong with the endangered talk, but after being corrected I knew enough to admit it and I tried to veer the conversation in a differnt direction. I think the opinions I stated on the first page made anything I said afterwards seem hostile. Look at them as they are, it was just knowledge inquery.

But I've veered this thread way off path as it is. I'm done posting in it

Again, I'm sorry if I offended you Jaymes. *Extends hand* Friends?

 

[Neotenic_Jaymes]

I'm not here to make enemies.

 

[JessKB]

Yum! I'd try axolotl in a heartbeat!

 

[Kaysie]

I think it'd be best roasted/charred, like a hotdog, or steamed in corn husk (like the natives do). There's not a lot of meat on them, and I bet stewing them would make them slimy.

I'll eat some weird stuff; I'm open to practically anything, but I draw the line at eating pets (whatever they are).

 

[Neotenic_Jaymes]

I think it'd be best roasted/charred, like a hotdog, or steamed in corn husk (like the natives do). There's not a lot of meat on them, and I bet stewing them would make them slimy.

I'll eat some weird stuff; I'm open to practically anything, but I draw the line at eating pets (whatever they are).

I've worked with super slimy fishes with thick mucus coats. I'd treat an Axolotl the same way in preparing it. To remove the mucus coat burry in salt for 15 minutes. Or you can use salt and some sort of citrus like lemon juice, that works really good. After being heavily salted you can rinse away the salt and start cooking.

Another way to remove mucus is to steam it. After a good steaming just remove it and eat or cook it again with other things. The cornhusk method sounds like a good idea. I think most people are leaning on the deep fryer side of things.

 

[Shadow]

I think the threads name is a problem. Although I don't like to see what is happening in the video, I don't have anything against it. I got to go agree with Azhael here and say it's okay as it's not affecting the wild population. If whoever is eating it enjoys it, then let them enjoy it as much as I do Lamb. Hmmmm...Lamb.

 

[sheena22]

At the end of the day nobody likes to see their pets get eaten, just like you wouldnt like to see a family member get eaten, even though a few members on this forum dont connect emotionally to their pets most of us do so I dont think its wrong for her to be upset by this at all.

Id be very upset to see an axolotl get eaten as I see them as my babies, even though I know they arent as im not that dillusional lol (maybe i am )

If anyone ate my axolotl theyd be shot, as long as animals are killed in a humane way I dont have much against it, even though most the animals we buy in shops are killed cruelly which will never stop!

Anyway everyone resist roasting their axies for christmas because this post is depressing

Merry christmas everyone!! xx

 

[Azhael]

Hmmmm...i resent a little the claim that if you don´t react in a strong and way too excessive manner to this whole thing somehow you are not emotionally connected to your animals. It seems to me that people like for example myself are sometimes seen as unattached and cold hearted with no emotion towards our animals, and nothing could be further from the truth.
I agree, she is completely free to be upset, and i do understand why it would be upsetting, but claiming this is animal cruelty and saying that person deserves being shot (or worse???, in jail) is completely irrational, missplaced and excessive (and really scary). Like Jake said, i´d like to see more people react like that when people are actually cruel to their animals, which sadly happens too frequently and rarely ever is openly and strongly condemned.

Gazer, thanx, now it´s going to haunt my dreams too :S Its hideousness hurts my brain.

 

[sheena22]

Azhael, in no way was I saying any of those things you just wrote up there, or was I saying you are cold or unattatched!

Hmmmm...i resent a little the claim that if you don´t react in a strong and way too excessive manner to this whole thing somehow you are not emotionally connected to your animals.

I never said the above I said ....

even though a few members on this forum dont connect emotionally to their pets most of us do

Not suggesting that people on this thread dont, just that some people on the forum don't connect with their animals like we do, and I and others on this post have found it distressing, not that Azhael is unemotional and unattached to his animals!

I myself do react that way if animals are treated unfairly which in the case above wasnt unfair treatment just someone eating food, like a cow or a pig.

I think this is has all got too heated and misconstruded, Id be very angry if someone ate my axolotl because it is my pet Im attached and they would get punished for it, but if the bloke in the video decides to eat one fair enough, but I personally dont like to see it.

I hope that clears what I wrote up, In the future please dont take offense to my posts I never intend to upset anybody and if you have a problem just say rather than saying I said things which I didn't!


Merry christmas..

Sheena22 xx:happy:

 

[sheena22]

And that picture....

Ewwwwwwww

If anyone sees anything like that shoot it please lol :happy: