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Well not to sound rude but your dad does not know anything about keeping an axolotl, we do that is why you come on this forum.

If you don't have the means to care for two maybe you could ask the shop if you can return one or sell one to Daniel he lives in your part of the country and wants a dark Axolotl like yours.

Getting there gills to grow is the least of your worries and if in doubt always remember they are ALWAYS better off at lower temperatures you can get a thermometer for a few quid.

Try your best to make room for both tanks, do you have two filters? they really will be so much happier in separate tanks and you will be much more able to treat them well.

You are doing so much right it is just the things you are doing wrong are the most important aspects in keeping axolotl.

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well not to sound rude but my dad has bred axolotls that many times, he has supplied london zoo with them and has had to give them away as he has had so many , if you would like a word he is vincent and is a member of this forum and the reason i join these forum is i like to be rather inndipendant and not at my dads throat all the time :proud:

i will also read ya links
 
Hi Harry,

What size are your axolotl at present ?.

For the time being the tank will be fine, if these are not fully grown you will need a bigger one. Keep an eye on your local freecycle as aquariums ( and their stands) will appear...but you will need to act quick. Getting more plants in will give them cover and a place to hide. As I suggested in my earlier post, keeping up with the cleaning, feeding in separate areas will help reduce some potential aggression.
 
Alright good luck

god i sounded a reight dick then , i do apologise , that last comment just wound me up for no reason,i understand where your coming from , it is just you are telling me one thing then my dad is saying "oh no you dont need to do that" and it is really.....:confused:

but i will see how they do in the tank they are in together then at the first signs of stress, aggresion or any other problems i will split them up :smile:


but thank you for all your advice on the subject (Y)
 
Hi Harry,

What size are your axolotl at present ?.

For the time being the tank will be fine, if these are not fully grown you will need a bigger one. Keep an eye on your local freecycle as aquariums ( and their stands) will appear...but you will need to act quick. Getting more plants in will give them cover and a place to hide. As I suggested in my earlier post, keeping up with the cleaning, feeding in separate areas will help reduce some potential aggression.

yea i am sucking up poop off the mottom every 2 days to keep the water good but i dont know how large they are i will measure them , bare with me :ufo:

they are both 10 inches
 
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Thanks for checking their size. :D

With the tank being on the smaller size I would do poop patrol at least once a day.You will need to keep a close eye on the water quality, with the warmer weather this can change quickly. Check your water quality every couple of days to make sure all is well, if you don't have a test kit take a sample to your local pet/aquarium shop.

Do listen to your dad too, you are being bombarded with all sorts of advice. He will help, if I remember correctly he has quite a zoo!

Can everyone please take into account that Harry is trying to do what is best for his axolotl. Repeating that the tank is too small is not going to achieve anything.
 
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Thanks for checking their size. :D

With the tank being on the smaller size I would do poop patrol at least once a day.You will need to keep a close eye on the water quality, with the warmer weather this can change quickly. Check your water quality every couple of days to make sure all is well, if you don't have a test kit take a sample to your local pet/aquarium shop.

Do listen to your dad too, you are being bombarded with all sorts of advice. He will help, if I remember correctly he has quite a zoo!

Can everyone please take into account that Harry is trying to do what is best for his axolotl. Repeating that the tank is too small is not going to achieve anything.

thank you that is much needed support :) extremely appreciated
 
Ok I think I ought to comment on this thread ;)

I do agree with the majority of the people on here that the tank is a bit too small. Maybe money was an issue which I can relate to and it is a bit annoying when people tell you to buy the very best etc. What you should of done is just buy a second hand tank from ebay like I did. I got a 3ft tank with a cabinet, filters, decorations and gravel (which I won't use) for £70. All it needed was a new light kit and light bulb and I am waiting for a canister filter to arrive for it. With your axies been a big size then you need at least a 3ft really (you might just get away with 2.5ft), so I would think about saving up for one if you want your axies to have a nice life.

At the moment my biggest axies are only 3 inches and the melanoid I have is about 2 inches. So for now I have my two white axies in there. I have some driftwood with some java moss tied to it and a little rock decor. Since they are small there are plenty of hides for them but I am gonna buy some pvc pipes and put some of them in. Its only a temp setup but I thought id upload some pics.
 

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That is an awesome piece of driftwood Dan.

i agree that is a wacking lump and it looks ACE :D


but i have just realized that people are telling me to go for a 36x18x12 tank which has the exact volume as a 24x18x18 , the only difference is the longer one is a tad thinner and the shorter one is wider , but i can appreciate the fact that "thay like to dart around the tank " but people on about water quality , it makes no difference
 
Harry I am so sorry I simply thought you was not listening, yes those tanks have the same water volume which is the same for water quality, but as you must have noticed Axolotl spend most of there time marching up and down and around the floor, so the tank you have has a floor space of 24 x 18 which is 3square foot, but a 3 footer will be 36 x 18 and so will have a floor space of 4and a half square foot.

So even though they both carry the same volume of water the 3 footer allows your Axolotl a little more space to walk about.

From looking at your pictures I would say they are about 8-10inces long so they are very close to being full grown, I had two juveniles at 6inches in a tank the same dimensions as your smaller tank, and I noticed a very large change in there behaviour and general well being when I moved them to a 40 x 20 tank.

I did not realise you are 14 and so still at school having to rely on mum and dad for money and such. you are doing a great job with feeding and general care and I am sorry I did such a bad job of explaining the tank size issue.

I feel terrible I was so rude to you it is very much my fault as I was reading your comments as someone who just was not listening and I can not apologize enough.

For future reference when you are looking to upgrade the tank the only dimensions you need to worry about are length and width, if you have two tanks both 2foot long by 1 foot wide It makes no difference to your axies comfort weather it is 4foot high or 1 foot high.

As bellaballo said search for your local Freecycle web site I have about 6 in my localish area and there are always good deals on there. I do hope you plan to upgrade as soon as you are able to.

But in the meantime, if possible please go and buy a thermometer (should cost you about £3) so you can make sure you have them at a happy temp, when you say the tank water feels cool but no cold I would guess temp is 20-22 degrees you want it to feel cold on your arm this will be about 17-19degree.

So, maintain your water levels, keep good food, keep the tank nice and cool and provide your pets some areas of darkness in the tank and there gills will be back to there full glory in no time.

Once again I am sorry harry I hope I did not upset you or make you feel bad.
 
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Thank you with your nice comments about my piece of wood.

You can get a thermometer from Wilkinsons too and all the other basics you will need rather than a rip off pet shop.
 
I´m sure your father has had good success with them, and his aproach is indeed possible. I know some universities house their axolotls in the bare minimum conditions with an strict cleaning routine and adequate filtration.
The thing about such a method (small volume, no plants, hygienic conditions) is that it requires effort, and possibly daily maintenance to be sustained. Also, it can be argued that this method´s only purpose is to provide with the minimum necessary requirements, with little emphasis in life quality.
I, like many others, just think that things can be quite easier for the hobbyist and the animals, and that´s why we recommend a bigger volume. A big enough tank, with lots of plants (and filter suplementation if desired), requires very little maintenance, and that´s why we find it is recommendable.

As always, inside the hobby, opinions vary, and so do each person´s possibilities. However, i can tell you from experience, and i´m sure your dad would agree with me, that when possible, offering a larger space is always good. In some cases it´s the difference between surviving and truly thriving.

Just a little thing more. I ignore your situation, so i´m just guessing here, please excuse me if i´m wrong. I expect the experience your father has, means that he has his routine, he knows what he is doing. However, if you are just starting with the hobby, you don´t have that yet and you might want to go for an easier aproach, until you build up experience...and for that purpose, the bigger the tank, the easier to keep.
 
Harry I am so sorry I simply thought you was not listening, yes those tanks have the same water volume which is the same for water quality, but as you must have noticed Axolotl spend most of there time marching up and down and around the floor, so the tank you have has a floor space of 24 x 18 which is 3square foot, but a 3 footer will be 36 x 18 and so will have a floor space of 4and a half square foot.

So even though they both carry the same volume of water the 3 footer allows your Axolotl a little more space to walk about.

From looking at your pictures I would say they are about 8-10inces long so they are very close to being full grown, I had two juveniles at 6inches in a tank the same dimensions as your smaller tank, and I noticed a very large change in there behaviour and general well being when I moved them to a 40 x 20 tank.

I did not realise you are 14 and so still at school having to rely on mum and dad for money and such. you are doing a great job with feeding and general care and I am sorry I did such a bad job of explaining the tank size issue.

I feel terrible I was so rude to you it is very much my fault as I was reading your comments as someone who just was not listening and I can not apologize enough.

For future reference when you are looking to upgrade the tank the only dimensions you need to worry about are length and width, if you have two tanks both 2foot long by 1 foot wide It makes no difference to your axies comfort weather it is 4foot high or 1 foot high.

As bellaballo said search for your local Freecycle web site I have about 6 in my localish area and there are always good deals on there. I do hope you plan to upgrade as soon as you are able to.

But in the meantime, if possible please go and buy a thermometer (should cost you about £3) so you can make sure you have them at a happy temp, when you say the tank water feels cool but no cold I would guess temp is 20-22 degrees you want it to feel cold on your arm this will be about 17-19degree.

So, maintain your water levels, keep good food, keep the tank nice and cool and provide your pets some areas of darkness in the tank and there gills will be back to there full glory in no time.

Once again I am sorry harry I hope I did not upset you or make you feel bad.

you are ok
i was too quite ignorant to what you were saying so i apologise too,. i realised that my tank was a little warm so i took out some of the water and put it in the fridge to cool down it is now cold but not freezing.
my axolotls dont move very much , but i suppose i do not see them at night.and i will get a thermometer from wilco this week or can you buy thermometers that give off cold? :wacko:

oh yea and today i went to my nans.and asked her if she had any pipe , so i went into the garage and there was some old plastic pipe which i cut and sanded and washed and placed in the tank and as soon as i put it in the male walked right in :)
 
I´m sure your father has had good success with them, and his aproach is indeed possible. I know some universities house their axolotls in the bare minimum conditions with an strict cleaning routine and adequate filtration.
The thing about such a method (small volume, no plants, hygienic conditions) is that it requires effort, and possibly daily maintenance to be sustained. Also, it can be argued that this method´s only purpose is to provide with the minimum necessary requirements, with little emphasis in life quality.
I, like many others, just think that things can be quite easier for the hobbyist and the animals, and that´s why we recommend a bigger volume. A big enough tank, with lots of plants (and filter suplementation if desired), requires very little maintenance, and that´s why we find it is recommendable.

As always, inside the hobby, opinions vary, and so do each person´s possibilities. However, i can tell you from experience, and i´m sure your dad would agree with me, that when possible, offering a larger space is always good. In some cases it´s the difference between surviving and truly thriving.

Just a little thing more. I ignore your situation, so i´m just guessing here, please excuse me if i´m wrong. I expect the experience your father has, means that he has his routine, he knows what he is doing. However, if you are just starting with the hobby, you don´t have that yet and you might want to go for an easier aproach, until you build up experience...and for that purpose, the bigger the tank, the easier to keep.

i have found a website that sells 46 aquatic plants for a fiver so i am gunna order some tonight :)
 
Bear in mind your choice of plants may be dependent on your choice of substrate and lighting as not all are suitable for axolotls low light and temperature requirements ive had a few die on me because of lack of light and can make a mess of the tank! ive heard moss and java fern are good choices! Tis a bargain though, if you are not using your second tank for an axie you might want to consider using the other as a nice planted display tank seems you will have an abundance of plants if you go for this deal, and just replace the ones in the axie tank once they inevitably uproot them and tear them to shreds, just be sure to replace the destroyed plants before they start rotting!

Nice find will be interesting to see what you end up with!
 
Bear in mind your choice of plants may be dependent on your choice of substrate and lighting as not all are suitable for axolotls low light and temperature requirements ive had a few die on me because of lack of light and can make a mess of the tank! ive heard moss and java fern are good choices! Tis a bargain though, if you are not using your second tank for an axie you might want to consider using the other as a nice planted display tank seems you will have an abundance of plants if you go for this deal, and just replace the ones in the axie tank once they inevitably uproot them and tear them to shreds, just be sure to replace destroyed before they start rotting!

Nice find will be interesting to see what you end up with!

yea i kno , i am gunna get the 18" collection as i feel it will be enough , and for substrat , a layer of sand and then large river rocks

do any of you know where to get them from

oh and here are some picks with the pipe in

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p.s the stuff on the bottom os sand not poop , i was going to layer sand on the bottom but i diddnt have enough so took it out
 
Thats better 2 nice dark hides for them! Probably homebase a garden center or some similar shop for the river pebbles, dont go too mad with them as youve probably read food and waste gets trapped between them! and probably your leeds pet shop or what ever its called for the sand, Put a layer of sand in bout 15mm deep dont go too mad with that either as deeper sand can trap poisonous gas pockets, also if you go for a white sand it is really easy to see axie poo for cleaning!

My suggestions to make your tank look wicked:
white sand, a few large smooth shiney black pebbles dotted about, your black pvc pipes along with the dark color of your axies on the white sand will really set the tank off and of course the addition of the plants! (dont overcrowd it tho as your already tight for space!)

Oooh and if you havnt already got one, get yourself a turkey baster from robert dyas! its a lethal weapon in the war against axolotl poo, it makes life sooo easy!
 
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