Toxins

TTX is also produced by species of octopuses in the Hapalochlaena complex, EG Blue Ring Octopus.

It has been known for the water in holding tanks of specimens who have died to trigger mild side effcts in humans who have dipped their hands in the water... anyone had any symptoms after handling Taricha or their water?
 
yeah colin- i have a bad habit of biting my nails and touching my face alot, so while collecting tarichas in the wild-my lips got to tingling. i was handling alot since only about 4 in 100 were females-so i had to turn alot over to get a fem.( i could pretty much tell they were males in the water-but i was hoping it was just distortion from the current, i was also up to my a$$ in freezing water and was probably not all in my right mind...or even less than usual). mostly the ones who released the most, and still do, are my rivularis. time to time i have to restrain the tarichas to check on them -that is when they release the toxins ( and also when they die, i had a riv die recently, on land, and i could smell the toxin from quite a few feet away from the tank.). odd thing is i have never seen them sticky-like the photo above-i have seen tigers and chinensis like that-but not the tarichas, so the amount that i smell or get on me handling them must be minute compared to what they can release. sometimes when i am showing the newts to children or a group of adults and they are stressed (the newts not the kids) i offer up a newt for people to smell--most are pretty reluctant and some even decline....
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Hey Tim, I've been in your shoes in the past when I moved. Even across town, it's not easy breaking down and setting back up 10+ setups.
I had a flood in my home that effected my Newt room for 5 weeks. I had to break down all my setups and keep them in generic rubbermaid containers that really worked well. They continued to feed and some even were stimulated to breed.

I would be more concerned with aggression and microbial host invasion than toxicity. I had a colony of broken striped newts that were long term captives and I've always considered them docile. It was a weak moment that I had one young metamorph Pleurodele waltl that was larger in girth and the same length as the N. v. dorsalis. It was 5 years ago and I had no room for him (trying to find him a suitable home.) I tried to sneak him in the tank thinking he would be more aquatic and hide...the dorsalis attacked this newt instantly! I removed him and decided to put him in a generic land setup (container with moist paper towels). It worked well for a couple of weeks until he was shipped to his new owner.

I have been told, no references, the microflora of different species could be harmful to other species. One species is coloniezed with certain bacteria that shows no signs of disease, but the same bacteria with the other could produce disease. It may be rare, but I don't take any chances. Even in like species that are recently acquired, we will quarantine them for several weeks to make sure the stress of shipping will not reek havoc with our stable colony.

Your newts are very beautiful, by the way. Good luck with the move.
 
Are "rough skinned newts" (Taricha granulosa) compatible with Koi in an outdoor pond. From what I understand the eggs are also toxic. Will these eggs kill my Koi if ingested?
 
Tim, I think Al brought up a $5 solution. Buy a large Rubbermade container, and you'll be set.
 
Just for fun, here's what the CDC says about TTX on their "Select Agents of Concern" list:

Name: Tetrodotoxin
Agent Type: Toxin
General Information: A variety of marine species, notably the puffer fish and the California newt, contain tetrodotoxin, a neurotoxin that, even in small amounts, can cause rapid and violent death in humans. Poisonings from tetrodotoxin have been almost exclusively caused by consumption of puffer fish prepared by uncertified chefs, and a large majority of these cases occur in Japan where puffer fish is a traditional delicacy. Researchers have found that animals that contain tetrodotoxin do not produce it themselves; rather they are host to bacteria that produce the toxin.
Transmission: Poisoning results from consuming tetrodotoxin. Person-to-person transmission is not possible.
Symptoms: Symptoms of tetrodotoxin can appear 20 minutes – 3 hours after toxin is introduced. Death can occur 4-6 hours after introduction. The first symptoms are numbness in the lips and tongue, followed by a tingling sensation in the face and extremities, and a feeling of lightness or floating. Headache, epigastric pain, nausea, diarrhea, and vomiting may occur. Paralysis and respiratory distress follow, and may be accompanied by dyspnea, cyanosis, and hypotension. The paralysis grows more severe and convulsions, mental impairment, and cardiac arrhythmia may occur. Despite the severity of these symptoms, the victim may be completely conscious and lucid until shortly before death. Those who survive intoxication fully recover after a few days without permanent effects.
Fatality rate: 50%.
Treatment: There is no specific antidote; however monoclonal antibodies in mice have been shown to protect mice against tetrodotoxin. Treatment is supportive and symptom-specific.

Can't you see them trying to eradicate Taricha sp. as part of the Patriot Act?
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I have no experience with Taricha, but every time I handle our C. ensicauda there is that specific smell in the air and my hands start to tickle. Toxin is also visible on newt's skin. When they are on tank (and don't stress) there is no toxin visible and water only rarely make my hands to tickle.
 
Hey gary, you asked about keeping the Taricha in with the fish in the outdoor pond. I have a freind who had a really nice outdoor pond set up, in suburban seattle city area, and belive it or not, harons, raccons, and wild cats killed everything in a few weeks, something like 6 fish in one day. I think the newts are going to be stressed and not have enough food as they are dangerously competing with the koi. you should keeps the newts inside, besides the fact that the salamander eggs/young/adults coulds kill the fish.
 
Side note:

Newcomers to this site may not know that if you "click" on the Authors name of each posting, you will see their Profile.....Joonas's Home Page is certainly interesting
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......their living room reminds me of Tim's. hehe
 
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