T.marmoratus and T.carnifex eggs

[Niels D]

Discovered some eggs in both the T.marmoratus and T.carnifex tank this morning. Never expected this, because the T.marmoratus male still hasn't got his crest and the group of T.carnifex are 8 or 9 months old. Will make some pictures of the development. Happy.....joy!

 

[Molch]

this is cool....teenage love. How old/big are the T. marms?

 

[Niels D]

I've only got them recently, because I traded them for a group of T.dobrogicus. They're adult, but I don't know their exact age. I believe that I've heard that they're 3 years old. I haven't measured them, but in my experience they're all avarage in length.

The male still hasn't got his full crest, because he's only 2 weeks in the water. I thought that a male didn't mate untill his crest is fully developed. Hope these eggs are fertilised. The carnifex eggs allready show some development.

 

[Azhael]

It´s possible for the male to have produced spermatophores even if it´s not in full attire. They usually aren´t very successful in getting females to be interested in them but it does happen. This year, because of weird weather cycles, my dobrogicus barely developed any crest at all (they had a small crest for a week and that´s it....pathetic) and yet i found developing eggs yesterday among the plants. So it´s definitely possible, good luck!

About the carnifex, it always makes me want to laugh that the cristatus complex just can´t be bothered with annoying things like taking time to grow up and mature...Such things are for paupers xD

 

[Niels D]

Still I'm hoping to see a full T.marmoratus crest this year, because these are my first animals. They're more beautiful than T.dobrogicus and T.carnifex if you ask me, though they're not as handsome as alpestris. Too bad that we Dutchmen aren't allowed to keep alpestris, because it's a native specie.

 

[froggy]

I hope they develop for you! I would like to try some cristatus group at some point - they sound very fun to keep.

Is the alpestris ban regardless of subspecies?

 

[eljorgo]

T. marmoratus and T pygameus are some of the most pretty newts on the planet if you got to ask me. Same level with Neurergus I would say. Sadly none of these is the the hobby nowadays but rather messed up animals with very very inbreeding and terrible ugly patterns. Its rare to see a good looking marmoratus like the ones i see on the nature with 60-80% of their body covered in solid black green in females and yellow in males and attaining huge sizes up to 24cm like the marmoratus from Bragança witch can be misidentified with P.waltl due to their massive size!...
Regarding your breedings good luck with marm eggs, it should be no problem for fully mature individuals... Regarding the carnifex being so young I think their eggs arent going to be much viable and if you got them from who i think, the eggs/larvae will suffer nearly 100% mortality.
I had same events happening with such age T. dobrogicus couple from netherlands...
All my larvae would go just fine less those from them...
But I wish Im wrong and wish you the best of lucks
Keep us posted with sum pictures from time to time
Regards,

 

[eljorgo]

Froggy the I. alpestris are banned to the species level. Therefore all of its subspecies endemic to the region or not are forbidden to keep. He would be able to keep Icthyosaura If there was another solid species on the former Mesotriton genus non native to the Netherlands.

 

[Niels D]

Allas, the whole lot of Ichtyosaura is a no go here. Same goes for cristatus and all Salamandra salamandra sp. (Like S.s.salamandra or S.s.terrestris)

I allready got a lot of larvae from my T.dobrogicus group, which are CB from spring 2011 and they're doing very well. A couple of T.carnifex eggs show development, so I guess some of them will surely hatch. Let's hope for the best!

 

[Niels D]

And here are the eggs:

06-03-2012
T.marmoratus:

T.carnifex:

 

[Niels D]

Allas the eggs of T.marmoratus weren't fertilized. Our male is probably not man enough, but we managed to get a new one to accompany our group. The women are pretty gravid.

Luckily the T.carnifex eggs are doing well. 19-03-2012

 

[Niels D]

Bad picture, but the first T.carnifex hatched.

27-03-2012:

 

[TristanH]

Allas, the whole lot of Ichtyosaura is a no go here. Same goes for cristatus and all Salamandra salamandra sp. (Like S.s.salamandra or S.s.terrestris)

I allready got a lot of larvae from my T.dobrogicus group, which are CB from spring 2011 and they're doing very well. A couple of T.carnifex eggs show development, so I guess some of them will surely hatch. Let's hope for the best!

I think these laws are well intended but wrong-headed. They assume that collection of native amphibians is the most serious threat. It's not. Much more serious are habitat destruction and invasive species. It would in fact be much better for native populations if pet keepers were only allowed to keep native species (and perhaps those from the same biogeographic area) - this would greatly reduce the risk of release / escape of invasives like bullfrogs, Xenopus etc.

 

[Niels D]

We got ourselves a second male from a fellow keeper. He's a real Leviathan and he managed to fertelise the eggs, though his crest isn't fully develloped yet. Happy.....joy!

28-03-2012

 

[Niels D]

09-04-2012

First T.marmoratus hatched:

T.carnifex with little arms:

 

[Niels D]

18-05-2012

T.carnifex

T.marmoratus (check the claws!)

 

[Helder Duarte]

How is the T.marmoratus?

 

[Niels D]

They're doing great. The T.carnifex all have a new owner, just like the T.dobrogicus. I still have 4 T.marmoratus, but they're going to another enthusiast in time.

29-07-2012

Too bad we're not allowed to keep this specie, but we can see it in the wild though:

 

[Azhael]

Stunning pictures!
Congratulations on the lovely morphs

 

[Fer]

Awesome shoots!!