Question: Leaf Litter

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Hello all.
I've been doing alot of reading on Fire Salamanders lately and some sources are saying that I need leaf litter in my salamander tank. Is it necessary to add leaf litter? Is there advantages or disadvantages to adding leaf litter? thank you for reading.
 
While your salamanders would very much appreciate the leaves I'm sure, they are not necessary as long as they have plenty of other places to hide. Leaves are safer in a terrestrial set up than an aquatic set up. However, you would probably need to research tree species that are non-toxic to amphibians, as some leaves will contain certain chemicals and tannins that can be harmful to caudates (they can absorb these things through their skin, and over time a build up can be lethal).

Even for caudate-friendly leaves, you will still need to use a sterilization method like boiling to get rid of any unwated bacteria or other hitch hikers.

Hope this helps!
 
Leaf litter adds a natural look while providing a great interactive environment. I would not say its a requirement but it a nice addition to a terrestrial setup and is great for shy newts/salamanders as provides tons of hiding spots.

The "problems" I see is that the leaves aren't permanent and you risk introducing foreign things into your setup. Microwaving the leaves for several seconds can get rid of most of the bugs that might be hitching a ride. Adding isopods and springtails will help breakdown the rotting leaves if you choose to leave them in there. I use and love leaf litter for my terrestrial setups and have had no problems.

Hope this helps,

Mitch
 
OK I think I will try to collect some leaf litter, perfect season for doing so:)
 
Magnolia and oak leaves are good to use. Make sure to use the dried fallen leaves. There are several good sources online that you can find on dendro websites. I boil my leaves for 30 mins. I will echo the leaves while not necessary do add an element of natural. It gives the springtails, and salamanders nice hides. I do use pvc in some of my setups while my fire salamanders I am using magnolia leaves.
 
Magnolia and oak leaves are good to use. Make sure to use the dried fallen leaves.

Good point. Green leaves will get mushy and nasty within say 2 months, while dead leaves usually give you at least 6 months before some of them need changing out.
 
Oak! Thats great! Without doubt, Oak is the most common type of tree in my area. I think I will also add springtails, too.
 
Aren't oak leaves a problem because they acidify the soil????
 
I recommend magnolia leaves. I actually was out last night picking brown magnolia leaves straight off the tree - saves me having to worry about importing "bugs". I don't understand the boiling/baking business though - all the spores, etc, found on leaves are present in the air anyhow.
 
What? Now Oak leaves are bad? I researched magnolia and I've never seen a tree in my area that looks anything like it!:(
 
Oak leaves are fine I use them all the time. I even use them in my N.beyeri tank she likes to hide in the leaves more than other hides that I have given her. I don't have alot in there just a half dozen. And they pool on the bottom away from the intake on the filter
 
:confused:This is a little confusing. I think I will try collecting some oak leaves from one of the local parks or the local wildlife preserve. We'll see what happens.
 
When I clean my leave I make them damp and then microwave them for a little, THat kills bugs, parasites ect...

I use oak leaves in some tanks, for instance for my eastern newts.
 
I've used oak leaves in all kinds of enclosures, mainly my dart frog tanks for well over a decade and have never ran into any problems because of it. Either way, I'll get a PH tester that are used for food plots and test the soil underneath the old oak tree in my back yard.
 
On saturday I went to the park and picked out 6 oak leaves from the forest leaf litter. I boiled them for half an hour and than placed them in the tank. Right now the crickets are taking refuge in them, rather than the salamanders, who haven't been eating alot lately.
 
Oak leaves are perfectly safe when used terrestrially. Oak wood and bark is a definite NO in wet enclosures, but if relatively safe for some dry applications.)

I think where the confusion comes from is that Oak does contain quite a high amount of various tannins (tannic acid used in leather making being the most prevalent), very little of it is in the dead leaves.

When used in an aquatic set-up, you will get a drop in pH over time, but if you maintain good husbandry practices and are vigilant in your water chemistry testing you will find the pH drop is negligible. (I myself use oak leaves in both terrestrial and aquatic enclosures, dependent on the requirements of the animals.) In fact a few of the soft water amphibian species thrive when oak leaves are used in their water features!

One quick additional note; DO NOT use leaves, wood, or bark from the tree commonly called Live Oak from the west coast of the USA.


As for magnolia, I urge caution here. The name Magnolia applies to quite a few different plants. Two of them appear to show no toxicity risk from the leaves to amphibians or anything else. The rest are bad news it appears. I am having trouble making up a proper list as the common names vary tremendously and many are not clearly linked to proper scientific nomenclature. Magnolia grandiflora appears to be perfectly harmless though.



Now that you all have me thinking about it, I think I may have research this topic in depth.
 
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What about Terminalia catappa ?

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I have heard about this tree recently and it's used in betta splendens tanks to condition the water. It's said their leaves has antibacterial properties and help fish during illness and stress periods. They promote infusoria and breeding, at least in fishes. Has anybody tried them with amphibians?

Maybe you could add some dry leaves to the tank (1 leaf per 20 L ), but be careful about pH, it can decrease a bit.

Regards :)
 
These are often referred to in the States as Indian Almond Leaf. While beneficial to fish breeding (especially Anabantoids and other soft water fish) I have not read of their use with amphibians. They are often used as a "homeopathic" treatment for fungal infections of the skin for these types of fish and prevention of fungus in bubble nesting fish eggs.

My personal experience with them suggests that the effects and water pH and the antibacterial properties would probably make them unsuitable for most caudate use.

Just about any dead leaf in water will promote infosuria growth. In the case of this species of plant, I suspect the effects on water chemistry are similar to oak leaves.
 
Dart frog enthusiasts use Indian Almond Leaves in tadpole setups.
 
Cool John, but, what about using them in fungal infections in caudates/axolotls? for example... or newtpoles set ups? It could be interesting , but It seems nobody here use these leaves.
 
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