It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas...

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Jordan Wegher wrote on Monday, 14 November, 2005 - 00:56 :</font>

"Wow thats quite the email you sent me. Your post seems rather unimportant to this subject, you should have just allowed me to find the email. You don't have to tell me. Especially on this forum."<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

That's all I have to say.
 
I was getting this back on track joan. That is why i sent that. Amanda is the one who initially started the "hijacking" of this thread by saying that. My message was in response to her and shouldn't have been posted but its too late to take it back.<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Amanda wrote on Friday, 11 November, 2005 - 23:59 :</font>

"This was not a "hate on Jordan post" but rather than continue this here, I have sent you an email jordan."<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>That is all i have to say
 
At the risk of having this thread deleted, I've decided to make one more comment. Amanda's not the only person to have emailed or said something to you, Jordan. Maybe you should take others' advice.

My apologies to Cynthia for going offtopic on her thread.
 
Anyway...

I agree with Rheann, I too would love to breed, just once to experience it.

I would love to have so many little mouth to feed and crates of baby axies everywhere! lol

Once I finish uni and I'm back home and can take full time responsibility I'm def gonna do it.

Hmmm...I don't wanna sell the babies to the petshops because they are poo basically!

I wonder if you can advertise them on eBay and insist on local pick up so you can give the collector loads of REAL advice on how to best care for them???
 
Hayley, you could try to donate some of the little ones once you have some to schools or universities, or even zoos
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This is what I am going to try and do. I'm going to see if the local Zoos here would like some Axies, if they can take them, and also some childrens schools. Of course they will all be donated and I might keep one or two of the babies, but I want to be well prepared first.

LOL i'm kind of worried, I noticed that my black male is I think sexually mature, or possibly almost there, and one of my females looks like she is sort of fat with eggs... I hope they don't breed yet, I'm not read and neither are they! lol
 
Rheann, best way to prevent unwanted pregnancy is abstinence! Seperate them. However, if you do, and eventually put them back together, they'll mate eventually.

Most zoos won't take outside animals. You should talk with your zoo director and herp keeper first before breeding, in case they won't take any of them.

Hailey, it's illegal to advertise pets on Ebay, unless you're selling your axolotls as bait. There is the For-Sale section here, and www.kingsnake.com, where you can post them for sale.
 
Thanks Joan, didn't know that about eBay!

I wouldn't give them to the zoo's round my area, they keep them in really bad conditions too.

But like I said in another post, it makes no difference what you say to them "they know best".

The ones at Dudley zoo are in with small gravel, lights (so people can see them) and are over crowded
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The zoo by you has axies? My zoo doesn't.
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I wish my zoo would have axies that would be great!
 
Yeah, they have them, but I would rather they didn't because of the way that they keep them
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Generally, zoos don't accept animals from hobbyists. (Ed Kowalski or Nate would probably know more on this subject and the reasons as to why.) One of the zoos near me has an ungodly number of large female melanoid axies and they're VERY well taken care of.

Technically, eBay will allow you to sell axolotl eggs, however, there was a HUGE debate on the ethics of it sometime last summer which caused quite a stir on the board. General consensus = Don't do that. Do what Joan says. When my axies laid eggs (considering I had 3 females at the time and one VERY lucky male, so I had a TON of eggs,) I put an ad up on the board. Sure you get a few freeloaders, but other than that, generally, you know that the people getting them will take care of them.
 
Typically Zoos do not accept animals from the public because they have a limited amount of space to keep and hold animals and many hobbyists seem to view the Zoo as a place to dump unwanted pets. Typically we get calls almost every day for animals that people have gotten tired of taking care of or have a surplus they cannot do anything with. This has included animals ranging from newts and fire belly toads, to love birds, cockatiels, various snakes, lizards, turtles, sugar gliders, hamsters, etc ( and even big cats). People have even gone so far as to throw thier pets over the fence or into a exhibit and leave thier pet at the Zoo.

One of the points that seems to be often missed when people start bashing zoos is that the animals need to be set up in a manner that the public can locate the animal in a couple of minutes as the average visitor does not spend more than about 45 seconds at an one exhibit (averaged time). If the animal is not in plain view then the people spend less time at the exhibit. The problem with this is that it is already difficult to get support for conservation and protection programs for various species and if the person cannot see the animal then the support is even less.
Now this means that Zoos often do not keep an animal in the same way a person does at home but this does not necessarily mean that the husbandry is improper, it is different. How many people keep thier animals the same way the Indiana Axolotl Colony keeps thier axolotls? You cannot deny that the colony has been hugely successful but they do not keep them the same way the average hobbysist does because it isn't practical and would make meeting thier mission impossible. The same can often be said for a Zoo.

As a further point of comparision (I am speaking about AZA Zoos in general), how many hobbyists get routine medical care for thier axolotls including examinations and fecal checks? At many Zoos that I am aware of, the animals get at least a fecal exam twice a year and often at least a quick physical exam once a year.

If people want to discuss the differences between Zoos and the hobby we should take this off list and not hijack the thread any further so please feel free to e-mail me. I will be out most of the afternoon so any responses will probably be tomorrow.

Ed
 
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