Ichthyosaura alpestris identification

[Stupot1610]

Hello,
I have some alpine newts (a group of 6.4) and I would like to know what subspecies they are. I'm think ichthyosaura alpestris alpestris, but I could do with some other opinions.
Thanks,
Stuart

 

[Stupot1610]

Got a few more photos to add, but I can only add one at a time.

 

[Stupot1610]

Another one

 

[Stupot1610]

Yet another!

 

[Stupot1610]

Another photo. Also I thought I would add that they have no spots on their belly, so this rules out apaunus.

 

[jAfFa CaKe]

They do look like a typical I.a.alpestris. Judging by that slither of throat you can make out in the pic, it has no spotting, clarifying that it is not I.a.apunaus (Or I.a.inexpecatatus). The three main subspecies you can easily find in the UK is I.a.cyreni, I.a.apunaus and I.a.alpestris. We have already ruled out apunaus and it is more likely to be I.a.alpestris simply becase you do find them more then both other subspecies.

 

[Chinadog]

I think you can rule out apuanus, but it's difficult to guess from the one picture.

 

[Stupot1610]

Yeah, it's definitely not apaunus, no spots on the underside. I tried to add a few other photos earlier but they haven't shown up. Also think I have added a photo to this post.

Stuart

 

[Stupot1610]

They are CB, the line is originally from Southern France near the border with Switzerland and Italy, I believe.

Stuart