Gigliolii

[francesco]

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Sergé Bogaerts wrote on Tuesday, 21 February, 2006 - 13:15 :</font>

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neither do I!!!
However I don't blame Stefan, it's hard to resist buying such a beautiful animal! What annoys me is how easy it is to find wild caught gigliolii for sale in Europe. Calabria and in particular one place has become the gigliolii's SAFEWAY. Everyone who wants gigliolii goes there, collects a few and some even sell them when they get back to their country!

(Message edited by franceschino on February 23, 2006)

 

[uwe]

Just to add some point.

Some years ago there were also some italian guys offering S.s.gigliolii for trade/exchange and came to Gersfeld and tried to make some deals (with very high prices).

Uwe

 

[kei]

Leonardo: We need to discuss about S.giglolii you know. See email.

 

[chuck]

It just goes to show you that laws are pointless. The salamanders should be legal to take on a limited number so those who want them can keep and breed them. Limited take shouldn't hurt the populations, the resourse is renewable just like taking fish or deer during hunting/fishing season.
Chuck

 

[kyle]

I think in a case like this, its a small number of people who ruin it for everyone. Its the people who collect them in huge numbers, and feel no remorse about it. There aren't exactly game and parks officers out in Salamander habitat checking collecting limits and writing tickets for over collecting.

Easiest solution, make it illegal and then you get the smallest amount taken because at least people who follow the law won't be taking them on top of people who aren't.

 

[chuck]

Why should it be illegal? The animals reproduce, the supply continues.

 

[kyle]

Not if they are overcollected from the wild by poachers. If more animals are collected than the number of offspring making it to adulthood, thats definitely leading to the demise of a locale specific species.

And I'm saying its the easiest solution as far as the government would be concerned. I'm sure there is a much more effective conservation route.

 

[william]

it's easier and cheaper just to catch WC animals even if they are illegal. it's very sad

 

[uwe]

It is the wrong approach to repeal the law. The right thing is going for breeding and buy the youngsters instead of the wc adult.
So everyone in the community can see what is he doing.

Uwe

 

[stefan]

Uwe, apart from Ingo i know nobody who offered gigliolii offspring the last 2 or 3 years publicly, do you?
Serge, i was talking about the gigliolii you had in the past but never mind. As far as i know you just had a few larvae once in a while. I hope i can breed them regularly. If I do so some of my offspring will be available for everybody! That is my contribution against wild caught animals!

Stefan

 

[uwe]

Hi Stefan,

I hope you will have some offspring and supply then the community to dry out the illegal collecting.

Uwe

 

[stefan]

Hi Uwe,
at the moment i have 53 larvae from gigliolii.
Some are for exchange, others will be offered in a few month

Stefan

 

[uwe]

Hi Stefan,

that sounds great. I think this will relief some pressure on price and on the wild population.
The illegal activity starts normally with the high price and so this amount of larvae will bring down the price to normal.

See you

Uwe

 

[sergé]

Dear Stefan,

I had some gigliolli in the past. As larvae given to me by a german who had bred them. So they are available..and they first reproduced after a few years but only in limited quantities and then they got confiscated....

Now I just keep non-European Salamandra's.

Sergé