Fire Belly Newt Eggs

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Thanks for the advice Aaron! Hopefully waiting will work, I have really been looking forward to breeding them :/
 
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I really think its the male. The male is much younger and smaller than the females and it's very noticeable.I just didn't think age would matter. But i am new to breeding so any advice i will take thank you. I will take a picture of my male when i get home.
 
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Male Cynops/Hypselotriton in captivity tend to mature much faster and quite a bit smaller than females. I often get Male pyrrhogaster that are sexually mature at well under a year old and less than half their eventual adult size. Mature pyrrho males are easier to spot than orientalis because their tails go purple, but if your male's cloaca seems swollen, I'd say he's capable of fertilising eggs.
I'm with Aaron though, It can still take a while for them to get the hang of it.
 
So last night I noticed one of the females were laying eggs again... any suggestions or recommendations that I should incorporate this time? It would be awesome to keep even just ONE...

Thanks again guys!
 
Last time you said "in a day or two they all become cloudy and die". Also, you said that you left some of the eggs in the tank, but "none made it". Did you ever see any larvae, or did none of the eggs even hatch?

I suspect, as you said, that the eggs were simply infertile. There isn't much you can do about that. Do you know for sure that any of your newts are male? Have you ever seen any courtship behavior?

Getting eggs to hatch is the easy part, there's almost nothing you could do that would stop them from hatching if they were fertile. I'd recommend that you just keep watching for eggs that are developing. A small magnifying glass might help, and look at photos of what fertile eggs look like. Hope you get some this time!
 
I have honestly never seen any type of courtship behavior. I usually wake up in the morning to find 10-20 eggs covering most of my plants everyday and then they become cloudy within days.. I have tried taking some out and I have tried leaving them where they are. Either way they still become cloudy.. I know that they are infertile but i just don't understand why not even ONE is fertile and will hatch for me.. I live in florida and recently they changed the laws to where Fire Belly Newts are now illegal to buy anymore so i would like to at least raise ONE,..
 
I just wished I knew someone that lived close by to see them and give me their opinion.. I will take some pictures of my newts tonight and post them on here as well as their tank... I have been looking foward to breeding season and now that they are breeding they are still infertile. It has been about 2 and a half years of infertile eggs, and i know for sure I have 4 females and 1 male.. Does laying eggs usually take this long for them to become fertile?? Again I am new to trying to breed them so I just don't know what to do anymore. I feel like i have tried everything :(
 
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How long do you think It will take?

I have been getting infertile eggs for almost 2 years.. Sorry for all the questions, I am just new to breeding them. I got them about 3 years ago and finally got the hang of them and now trying to learn breeding is a whole nother rodeo. lol
 
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It's hard to get pics of them but I have 5 of them. Not sure if I got all of them in the pics but it's a start


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Hi!
Are you 100% sure the one is male? i've watched your pictures in both threads and it looks male by size and tail length but then cloaca is quite small. I'm no expert so it can be just my eyes, but all my males (I have only one female and six males...) have clearly different cloacas than the female. If he was immature in the beginning, I'd think in two-three years he would have matured! Well, then, my adopted newts never bred in their earlier homes (that's, for many years) and when arriving us, it has been impossible to stop. I can't tell why, the only big change was that I never put any fish with them but you don't have fish. Can you try to get still one picture of the little one from belly side, maybe if s/he comes swimming to the front glass so you don't have to lift him?
 
In this picture cloaca looks like males and so does his body as already said by many :) In the other thread you wondered if they're two different species and now looking closer your earlier pictures, at least two of them has an orange line in the middle of back. That's something I haven't seen on orientalis (though my orientalis knowledge is limited to pictures and own few guys..). Maybe this fellow is different species than female that's laying eggs and that's the reason???
 
That's possible. But I'm confused because my female orientals are laying as well as the others. So shouldn't there be some if not at least ONE fertile egg.?


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Maybe either of them is infertile so that it can't have babies (sorry if the terms are incorrect or childish, I don't remember accurate words and too lazy to go pick my dictionary :) )?
 
So my next question is.. Is there a certain age to where male are able to breed? I know my possible "male" is fairly young 2-3 years old possibly. Would that be a possible reason to why the eggs are infertile? Just curious
 
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My last question is this: Will Cynops Orientals lay eggs without a male present? I wasn't sure.
 
I suppose so, at least cynops pyrrhogaster does!
 
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