Another "what colour" thread

[Jake]

Jake thankyou for your reply, but it does come across as quite aggressive. I find it a little insulting that you are implying that I am not giving them proper care. A number of them didn't die mysteriously. 1 death was unexplainable. I know full well why the other 4 died.

I think what Jake meant was for bubs that are 6 and a bit weeks old they do look a little small. He could, however, have done so without attacking the manner in which you are caring for them given that we knew nothing about their feeding and cleaning routines.

That was in no way intended to be an "attack".

I was simply saying you should worry about giving them proper care before you worry about what color they are going to be when they get older. After all, they won't get older without good care. Even if they were 17 days out of the egg or 17 days from the date the eggs were laid, they are still underdeveloped. I don't need to know anything about their feeding and cleaining routines to know something is wrong. It's true that axolotls grow at different rates, but for all of them to be underdeveloped is a sign something is not right. That's why I asked the questions I did.

 

[decambla]

Ok Jake, I've answered your questions.
In which area am I not providing proper care? As I said I'm happy to accept advice IF I am doing something wrong.

I also agree they are on the smaller side. You said yourself they were small for age when I got them. Is it possible that this clutch had a slower growth rate?

 

[Jake]

Ok, you're doing nothing wrong, the care you are giving them is 100% proper!!

There is absolutely no reason for them to have died and they're all growing at a 'normal' rate!! GOOD JOB!

Have a blessed day!!

 

[decambla]

As I said Jake, was happy to listen to advice if I was doing something wrong but all you've come back with is sarcasm. I've always taken on board the advice of people who are more knowledgable than myself but you haven't been able to point out in which way i am not providing proper care. It's a big call to tell someone to stop worrying about what colour you have and worry about what care your providing. It suggests the person you are referring to is neglecting the animal and too concerned with the superficial stuff.
Im quite willing to take on board any helpful points you have to make based on the information I have given.

Last thing I'll say on the matter.

 

[iSuzie]

Now im bring this up and wording it very carefully as the only reason Im bring this up is decambla egg's came from the same place mine did.
{I have been warned not to talk to the person I got the egg's from so I am not naming name and this post is not to them and is not an attack of any way shape or form}

I have had a right death rate and very slow development from this lot of egg's a lot had defects such as spinning and deformities such as no gills and big puffy blobs where gills should of been at hatching time.
Some have only just got back leg's I was being to worry they wouldn't get back leg's at all! When other baby's I had that were 2 weeks younger have already got half of their back legs grown.
Now in this case I think it has got to be put down to genetics as these egg's did not come from my axies or decambla's axies, we don't know the right info on the parents.
Now I'm thinking they must been ether the first lot of egg's from the mother, or they have been inbreed or have something wrong with their genetics. I have some baby's that had odd eye's different sizes and different patch's of colour on them , but they died. I have only got ONE baby left with odd eyes and he is getting skinnier every day. He is separated and refusing food. I have asked others privately for help of these matters and have made on post about the odd eyes.

But id just like to say one think they by far are not growing normally at all, and are very slow developers. This is where the confusion must of came from. As I have given perfect care with all of my larvae and had nothing happen to any other lots I have from other bloodlines but only ever had problems with this particular lot. At most the biggest one i have from this lot is only just 3.5cm and he grew to that size about 2 weeks ago and has stopped growing. I'm really concerned for them as I don't think they will make it to become juvi's =/

 

[yellowpebble]

I have a batch of VERY slow growers too. It has been about 6 months and they are all still 6cm. I feed them twice a day too and they have proper care. Suzie ended up recieving some of my babies as well (i'm not the one she could not name) from a dfferent batch from the slow growers i kept. They hatched later than my 6cm babies and are already twice the size. My small babies were the first batch of eggs from the mother while the ones suzie recieved were the second, so maybe the first batch of eggs issues do happen. Those eggs also took AGES to develop, they grew slowly and hatched late, even in warm tempuratures. The later batch i sent off to people grew much more quickly as eggs. This could be an issue for yours too, or as suzie said too it could be genetic. Axolotls are an imbread spieces as it is, and because people often get their axolotls from petstores it is often brother/siter they recieve, so it all ends up in the family again.

 

[blackdog]

I'm not scared - it was Voldemort.

 

[Jake]

As I said Jake, was happy to listen to advice if I was doing something wrong but all you've come back with is sarcasm. I've always taken on board the advice of people who are more knowledgable than myself but you haven't been able to point out in which way i am not providing proper care. It's a big call to tell someone to stop worrying about what colour you have and worry about what care your providing. It suggests the person you are referring to is neglecting the animal and too concerned with the superficial stuff.
Im quite willing to take on board any helpful points you have to make based on the information I have given.

Last thing I'll say on the matter.

First you claimed I attacked you, then I responded with a pleasant post that would only have been sweeter if I had spat on it and rolled it in sugar and you still are not pleased. I stand behind what I originally said, when larvae are obviously not growing at a normal rate the slow growth should be the main concern of the keeper, not the color morph.

If everyone who received eggs from the one who won't be named has similar slow growth then you should all request a refund (if you payed for the eggs) and advise the person not to cross that pair again. Also, the ethical thing to do would be to skim the weaklings out of the gene pool.

I have some baby's that had odd eye's different sizes and different patch's of colour on them , but they died. I have only got ONE baby left with odd eyes and he is getting skinnier every day. He is separated and refusing food. I have asked others privately for help of these matters and have made on post about the odd eyes.

Unfortunately *special* larvae like that seem to be more prone to having health issues. Thankfully they normally only account for a small percentage of a clutch.

 

[iSuzie]

If everyone who received eggs from the one who won't be named has similar slow growth then you should all request a refund (if you payed for the eggs) and advise the person not to cross that pair again. Also, the ethical thing to do would be to skim the weaklings out of the gene pool.

This is true, and I did pay for the egg's. Also I travelled and hour to get them.
But I can not get a refund nor make contact with this person because apparently it is classed as an attack to even say a single to or about him. So ill not speak of him again.

I don't have many left from this lot of egg's as most of them have been culled due to not eating, a lot just refused food or could swim straight etc. I now only have a few that are still okay, horribly I think this may be the fate of the lot that you have got decambla. As much as I want them all to grow and be healthy I'm very concerned that they are and will not grow to full size, if they even make it to juvenile stage.

@decambla
I have other perfectly fine baby's I can assure have not been inbreed and are not the first lot from the mother, also don't have any bad genetics as far as I can tell. If you interested id be willing to part with some that I was going to raise my self to a bigger size, just because I feel like you got the bad end of a deal with this lot. If your interested let me know as you don't live to far from me
Also i have been advised by almost everyone i have asked that they should be culled so im not sure how you feel about this, but it might just be the best way to go. Im going to keep trying with the few I have left as long as they still show signs of eating and some if any slow growth.

 

[Bellabelloo]

If I had sold eggs to anyone on the forum that turned out to be problematic, I would personally want to know via ( a friendly) private message. The seller may not even be remotely aware that these eggs are causing such a problem, in fact they may even appreciate a friendly email saying this. If I received emails from a number of people that I had sold eggs to, that where slow growing and with a poor survival rate then I would personally not want to allow further breedings.

 

[iSuzie]

If I had sold eggs to anyone on the forum that turned out to be problematic, I would personally want to know via ( a friendly) private message. The seller may not even be remotely aware that these eggs are causing such a problem, in fact they may even appreciate a friendly email saying this. If I received emails from a number of people that I had sold eggs to, that where slow growing and with a poor survival rate then I would personally not want to allow further breedings.

It was actually you and other moderators and administrators that have told me not to talk to him at all, maybe if I remind you of whom im talking about in a pm you could let him know, as I personally don't want anything to do with him considering the massive amount of trouble he has caused me. And that such a message would be an attack in his eyes. No matter what I said in the message it would be an attack, so there fore Im not going to do that.

So I suggest maybe you could let him know for me.. Or decambla could send a message.

 

[Jake]

No matter what I said in the message it would be an attack, so there fore Im not going to do that.

When did people become so sensitive? I've been accused of attacking people for telling the truth too, it's sad really.

 

[yellowpebble]

often, getting defiensive is easier than admitting you are wrong

 

[iSuzie]

I have a reply to this, I wrote like three times, but have decided I'm better off not saying anything. All I will say is yes it is sad, and yes people do get defensive rather than admitting they were wrong.

 

[decambla]

First you claimed I attacked you, then I responded with a pleasant post that would only have been sweeter if I had spat on it and rolled it in sugar and you still are not pleased. I stand behind what I originally said, when larvae are obviously not growing at a normal rate the slow growth should be the main concern of the keeper, not the color morph.

If everyone who received eggs from the one who won't be named has similar slow growth then you should all request a refund (if you payed for the eggs) and advise the person not to cross that pair again. Also, the ethical thing to do would be to skim the weaklings out of the gene pool.

Just to be clear here, I never said you attacked me. Attacked is a term that gets thrown around quite a bit, and can cause a lot of trouble. I said your post sounded agressive. There is a difference. I get that your passionate about the care of axolotls, as am I and that is why I got my back up. I feel I have done nothing but try to provide the best care possible for these guys but unfortunantly their genetics are out of my control. I took your second post as being sarcastic. I apoligise if it wasnt meant to be that tone.