55 gal setup

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Here is a 55 gal viv that I just finished planting last week. It's in my unheated basement, so temps stay pretty much in the 60's throughout the year (62-64*F right now...maybe closer to 70*F in the heat of summer). With such cool temps, someone recommended that I look into keep caudates in it. I am currently hoping to try some T. verrucosus, but would appreciate any input from others on this. Here are the pics (excuse the hardwater stains from the previous owner):

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Hi Ron, welcome to the site.
Thats a real nice set up but not for Verrucosus, they'd need a water and land set up, a lot of people keep Verrucosus fully aquatic. As it is it would be better for a more terrestrial species, something like Salamandra, especially as it's so cool
 
That's a beautiful tank! It would work well for Ambystoma species or Salamandra (fire sals), as Andy suggested. Or any woodland species. If you like verrucosus, you might want to consider T. shanjing instead. But they are not easy to buy, except on rare occasions when imports suddenly pop up.
 
I had originally considered T. shanjing, but was told they can actually be fairly fragile, so someone suggested verrucosus instead. Just comparing price tags, I would much rather go with verrucosus, but obviously want to go with a species that will most thrive in this setup.
 
My humble opinion:
That setup took my breath away. What kind of wood are you using in your set up?

That looks like a very good forest setup for Triturus during their terrestrial stage of life as well as Salamandra. However if you insist on a Tylototriton} species, you might want to consider placing a small water dish ( if there is still space). Ester, another member has set up something similar and used a plant propogator tray as a miniature pool for her setup. Please refer to this page

http://www.caudata.org/forum/cgi-bin/show.cgi?tpc=7618&post=70231#POST70231

It is somewhat simpler than yours but it functions well!
Do you keep it constantly moist in there by spraying or is there enough ambient humidity within your tank?
 
Wow, thanks for the compliments! I try my best to observe how things grow and relate to each other in the wild, and then attempt to replicate that at home. My attempt for this was a rocky seep or seasonal stream in the forest. The wood I used is from cottonwood trees. The rivers and streams in my area are lined by the droves with these things, and when water levels go down, their roots are often exposed along the banks, providing some pretty cool shapes and forms to work with. The plants are Korean rock fern (fantastic for vivs), creeping fig (Ficus pumila), and Heart-leaf Philodendron.

The ambient humidity stays fairly high within the tank, although I have no way of gauging it right now except the condensation that's always on the inside of the glass. There is actually a low level of water in the tank that I believe helps, but I also spray once a day or every other day, which seems to encourage rooting from the Philodendron and creeping fig. However, just a couple days ago I lowered the water level quite a bit. Here is a picture of the center of the tank where access to the pool is:

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However, the way I set up the tank was just to try and raise the soil substrate as high from the water as I could via gravel/sand/pebbles, but there is still a decent amount of leeching into the pool, and right now it's fairly nasty as all the organics decompose. I know most people try to avoid this type of setup or situation, but I did it with another viv I have and it seems to be working well. Once things got established, plants dipped their roots in the water, and bacteria got growing...I think things have turned out well. The tank has a few Bombina orientalis, and one or two are almost always soaking themselves in it. I assume if it were to filthy, they would steer clear of it. Here is a quick shot of that viv (it's a 20 gal):

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I assume the water in the 55 gal viv will turn out pretty much the same, if not better, since I managed to get much more of the substrate above the water level. It will most likely be pretty high in organics and whatnot--is this bad for caudata? In researching shanjing, I'm finding so much varied information: some say they stay away from the water, others say they don't mind it, etc. So, if they needed it, it would be there. But maybe it would be a better idea to just go with something that's pretty completely terrestrial? Your thoughts are appreciated!

And just for a better idea as to the layout of the viv, here is a topdown shot:

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(Message edited by skylsdale on October 28, 2005)
 
I agree with all the comments thus far, very awesome setup! One thing you may want to consider is that essentially all terrestrial species will not be prominent in the viv, particularly with that bright light on them. They'll be hiding most all of the time. Species of the Eurycea genus might thrive in this setup, particularly if the water is flowing.
 
And NOW you made it look like a bank of a montane forest!
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This setup is similar to what I have for my juvenile K. pulchra ( Malaysian painted toad) with a small pool.

For this setup I recommend: Frogs, toads, mudskippers, land crabs...think riverine or estuary wildlife! Simply full of possibilities and not only for newts!
Please update us more! And do let me know when there is a space for rent for I might want to set up camp in there! LOL Well done so far!
 
Terry, which setup are you referring to...the 20 gal or the 55 gal? In the 20 gal I already have a small colony of firebelly toads. Actually, when I set up the 55 I was hoping to transfer them into that and build up a larger colony of them...but temperatures down in the basement ended up being too low. After I realized that, I thought about golden mantellas, but was told it was probably too frigid even for them, which is why I then started looking into caudates. With that small area of water, would you still recommend staying away from T. shanjing? I've also got an empty 80 gal tank down there--maybe I'll do some experimenting and come up with something with a more seperate (but hopefully natural looking) water space.



(Message edited by skylsdale on October 28, 2005)
 
I agree with Andy and Jen, salamandra (Fire Salamanders) would be perfect for that set-up, especially considering that temps stay in the 60's.
 
Thanks Jeff. They're not my favorites, but it sounds like they will be best suited for this system. Guess I'll start looking into them a bit more...
 
Hi Ron, fire salamanders are fantastic animals to keep and come in many beautiful forms (though i'm not sure what's available in the US) They become very tame and are very personable and bold!
 
A quick reply Ron:

I was refering to the 55 gallon tank of course. I would assume by now the water of the 55 gallon has cleared and settled somewhat and the sediment has settled down to the bottom? I would still recommend T shanjing. Unlike most people, I did not keep my Tylototritons aquatic. Such a setup was what I used for my Tylototriton shanjing in Malaysia. Temperatures seem right enough. There ought to be enough dry areas and I hope your soil or substrate is none too soggy or mushy.

Well there is my feedback. Ultimately whatever you choose to keep, the choice is yours.
 
Ron, I have heard of people keeping Bombina unheated in a basement. It's entirely possible that the "conventional wisdom" about them needing warmth may be exaggerated. I'm no expert on frogs, I'm just suggesting there may be some possibility that they would be fine there.

Regarding choice of caudates, what traits are you most interested in... what type of personality, appearance, activity level, etc? I know some folks will disagree with me here, but I find the Tylototriton attractive, but boring.
 
I have kept Bombina orientalis in a chilled room for the last 8 years (the same toads). They have spontaneously spawned several times over the years. The winter temps in the enclosure are typically in the upper 50s and low 60s.

Ed
 
Likewise Mantella aurantiaca would be OK at those temperatures, as would most North American salamanders.
You have a big choice!
 
Hi Alan,

The coldest I have ever had golden mantellas get is 40 F for three days when we had a blizzard with conditions cold enough that the heating system couldn't keep up. They got a little lethargic but there were no long term problems with the group.

Ed
 
I believe temps as low as 7C have been recorded in the natural habitat. Good for breeding, though you don't need to go that low.
 
I have heard from a lot of people that Golden mantellas would do great in this setup...except for a few people who have kept them. Like Ed, they reported that they got pretty sluggish, and were worried about such prolonged exposure to these temps.

Another frog I was thinking of was Epipedobates (or is it now Allobates) silverstonei, but from what I can tell, the daytime temperatures can still be fairly warm in their natural range, and I'm wondering if longterm exposure to such cool temps would do them harm?
 
I think it would be a bit cool for them. Perhaps if you switched your lighting (power compacts) you could raise the temperatures a bit more to get more of a comfortable range for them. I know some people who kept and bred them on basement floors, but I can't recall the temperatures they had.
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