Will this need to be amputated/is it broken? Larger tankmate chomped on Arthur's arm and it looks really bad, but not completely mangled.

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My axolotl Arthur had her arm bitten (I assume) by her larger tankmate Lavender and it looks a little gnarly. She's not using it at all and it's at a weird angle so I think it's probably fractured at least. No bone is sticking out and there's a big flap of flesh. At first she didn't seem to be too bothered by it, but she's in the corner in shock now I think.

I've already made an appointment with the vet for 9am tomorrow (it's 11pm now), and I think they will amputate it. Is this the right course of action? The vet isn't super familiar with axolotls but they're the only exotic vet in the area and are willing to try to help her since nobody else will.

I just wanted to hopefully get some feedback from this community on what the best care is in these kinds of situations, and to make sure I'm going into this vet visit with an idea of what to expect.
 
Update: took her to the vet today. She's getting a maloxicom(sp?) injection for pain and inflammation today and coming back on Thursday for surgery (it's Tuesday today). He's going to amputate her arm, but thinks she has a great chance for recovery.

She's already started to heal a little. Her fronds are no longer scraped up, and she's holding the arm forward instead of bent back. The big flesh wound is mostly closed. But the arm is still clearly mangled, particularly on the lower arm and hand.

I'm so lucky that there's a vet here who's worked extensively with axolotls. I was so worried I'd get someone who had no idea what they're doing (the receptionist told me to keep Arthur warm overnight, for example, so my hopes were a little dampened by that). He said she looks very healthy otherwise, and he weighed her in at 70g (almost 8" long).

I will update with the costs associated with everything and how the treatment goes, I'm on Vancouver Island btw, and this is Mahalo Vet.
 
if the bone itself hadn't been damaged then trimming of the loose flesh then potassium permanganate applied to the area would have sufficed, as it is this limb will heal with or without amputation it would be more the case of the bone setting correctly although because the bones are mainly cartilage there shouldn't be too much of a problem.
the main issue is making sure that the area doesn't get infected and that the water is kept cold enough to allow for healing.
 
if the bone itself hadn't been damaged then trimming of the loose flesh then potassium permanganate applied to the area would have sufficed, as it is this limb will heal with or without amputation it would be more the case of the bone setting correctly although because the bones are mainly cartilage there shouldn't be too much of a problem.
the main issue is making sure that the area doesn't get infected and that the water is kept cold enough to allow for healing.

Thanks for the reply wolfen. Unfortunately, it was a lot worse than it looked. I'm not sure any of the pictures I took accurately showed the extent of the damage, here's another one:
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It's hard to tell, but her arm was fractured and crunched down. The bone wasn't sticking out thankfully, but you could easily see her lower arm was destroyed.

No issue keeping the water cool thankfully, as I splurged and bought an AC unit for my room this year. But even if she did heal, it would have healed completely wrong just due to the nature of the injury. This is what the vet said and I agree.
 
Arthur had her surgery today, and thankfully it went as good as it could, according to the vet. She is a total trooper, and is super easy going to work with. She loves people and is comfortable (as much as an axolotl can be) being handled, so they were able to get things done very easily and in the quickest way possible.

I took her in to the vet in a big Tupperware of her water, with another big Tupperware full of her water to change her into after the surgery. I had everything in a big insulated picnic basket (lol) with an ice pack to keep the water cool.

They sedated her with an alflaxalone injection. I was told that there's two ways of doing this, one would be to do a bath, but it takes a lot longer. They wanted to minimize the length of the procedure to avoid stressing her unnecessarily, and she handles so well, that they decided to do the other (more invasive way), which was the injection. After injecting her and letting the drugs kick in, they wrapped her in a towel damp with her water and very quickly went to work. They used very sharp scissors and forceps to very carefully cut first the skin and flesh rather than forcefully snapping thru bone. They decided to amputate at the elbow, leaving a little bone exposed for the healing process. After cleanly removing the damaged limb, they applied pressure to stop the bleeding. While the sedatives were still affecting her, they did another injection of the anti-inflammatory meloxicam. After monitoring her for an hour, I came to pick her up. She pooped in her container, so I swapped the water and took her home as gently as I could.

The reason they sedated her, despite it having risks itself, is because trying to do the surgery without being calmed (and also feeling all the pain, which is unethical), can cause so much stress it kills them in the process, or keeps them from healing properly. They are also able to do the delicate cutting and such properly without her flipping around and freaking out. It was a risk that I thought was worth taking, given how easily she takes invasive handling and injections to begin with.

It ended up being much cheaper than even the vet anticipated, which was a big relief. Here is the estimates and invoices for everything that I was given:

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On Monday, I paid for the pain medication and exam, which was $110 and $20, so $130CAD. Everything else is just an estimate.

This is what the invoice ended up being:

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So the surgery and everything involved today cost almost $500CAD. In the end, I paid $630 Canadian in total to get her fixed up professionally. I'm so, so glad that I am doing well enough that I was able to afford this unexpected expense. I can't imagine trying to do this myself, it wouldn't be fair to her (yes I briefly considered it, but I didn't think it would be right for me to try to do myself). If I wasn't able to find such a great vet to take her to, it may have been a different story.

And here she is now, about 12 hours post surgery:

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She's not loving the stump, but I bet it's a lot better than the mangled mess of an arm lavender gave her. She's a little clumsier now, but rebounding well. Has a great appetite, still seems plucky and cheerful- if perhaps a bit tired. And her eyes say, I've seen some shit. Can't blame her!

Ive been keeping her tank half covered and the light off, and will continue to do so for a couple days while the stump heals a bit. I just don't want her all excited swimming around, because she's normally very active.

I will update as the healing progresses. I figured I would try to document this as best I can since when I was searching for something similar on here, I was finding everyone's questions seemed to go unanswered or the thread dropped off. Hopefully this will help someone :) TL;DR it's worth it to go to the vet in a similar situation!! Not as expensive as I anticipated and the professional equipment and training makes it more likely you'll have a positive outcome if an amputation is necessary
 
Wow! What a crazy few days you and Arthur have had! I’m so happy the surgery went well, and thank you for the detailed post. Please post updates as she heals!
Yea it's been stressful for her, but thankfully she seems to be healing up okay so far. Here's some updates:

1 day after surgery (July 23rd):

The tank she's in is only a few days old, but has several well established filters. No issues with nitrates, but the algae/biofilm growth on the glass and surfaces is intense. I'm a little worried it's causing issues, here's some pics:

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And of Arthur:
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You can see the little fuzzy on her fingers, and how the bone looks to be softening off. I sent an email to the vet.
 
3 days after surgery (July 24th):

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Her skin starts to wrinkle around the wound, and you can see the start of some growth on the exposed bone. Vet says she's healing fine. She's still pretty weak compared to normal, and I'm keeping the lights dim. I try not to feed her too much at once, and stick to repashy for now, at least once or twice a day. I have a scarf covering half the tank so she can have some privacy (it's right by my bed). It's really hot here, but my room has ac, so I'm finding it's easy to keep the temps well below 70°

5 days after surgery (July 26th):

Her stump has grown a large white mass, I'm a little concerned.

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It appears to be about to fall off, so I cool my panic and decide to wait and see.

Later that day...

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Eww.. yep it fell off.
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Is it a little longer now?

I'm starting to keep the lights on like normal, removed the scarf, and feeding (smaller) worms again. She has a lot more energy
 
7 days after surgery (July 29th)
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She's back to swimming around like normal and being her usually cheery self. Her arm appears to be growing, but it seems strange that the bone is growing faster than the flesh and skin can keep up with. I expected it would heal off first.

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She doesn't let anything slow her down, never met a more happy lil lotl

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