Very interesting tiger population

marcharer

New member
Joined
Oct 7, 2011
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
United States
My buddy and I have been periodically been visiting a cattle tank here in Arizona that has a large population of larval tiger salamanders in it. We first went there at the end of monsoon season, so we thought that all the larvae in the pond just had not metamorphosed yet. However, we went back last weekend and discovered some of them laying eggs. Then we looked closer and found many eggs already developing in the cattle tank. They must be neotenic, and I am guessing that the high fluctuation in tempurature this winter has triggered their breeding instincts. We also took a few of the eggs home to try to hatch them (and save them from the many turtles that also live in the small pond). Any comments or tips on hatching the eggs and raising the larvae?
 
Next time you go, could you take a camera ? I would love to see some pictures of where they are and of course the tigers.
 
I would be REALLY sure that the tigers are not Sonoran tigers, which are Federally protected (and therefore taking their eggs would be a Federal crime).
 
I will take my camera next time I go. I meant to take it last time, but I forgot...

Don't worry about them being Sonoran Tiger Salamanders; my buddy and I did a lot of research when we first discovered them to find out if they are or not. The sonoran tigers are only found in a very specific river valley in the very south of Arizona. These salamanders are further north in an area with known populations of salamanders that began as escaped "water dog" fishing bait larvae.
 
That's good to hear; I always panic a little when people find tigers in Arizona!

As far as advice on how to rear them, there's a caresheet here and an article here. They're pretty hardy as larvae and grow quickly.
 
Great! Thanks a bunch for the links :happy:
 
My buddy and I have been periodically been visiting a cattle tank here in Arizona that has a large population of larval tiger salamanders in it. We first went there at the end of monsoon season, so we thought that all the larvae in the pond just had not metamorphosed yet. However, we went back last weekend and discovered some of them laying eggs. Then we looked closer and found many eggs already developing in the cattle tank. They must be neotenic, and I am guessing that the high fluctuation in tempurature this winter has triggered their breeding instincts. We also took a few of the eggs home to try to hatch them (and save them from the many turtles that also live in the small pond). Any comments or tips on hatching the eggs and raising the larvae?

I live in AZ too and have a mander I caught as a large larvae in a cattle "tank".

I've hatched and raised many larvae when living out east and found hatching them outside in temps like they experienced was more successful than hatching them at indoor temps, where they often succumed to fungus.

The problem, even outside, is that with a small volume of water, the temp fluctuations can be very great from day to day and even within a 24 hour period, I think that's hard on them as well.

If they hatch out, keep them well supplied with the same sort of buggery that you'd find in their stock tank...daphnia, cyclops, etc. very small earthworms and whiteworms are easier and most likely will be a staple unless you can get to a natural supply of the other. Sometimes the larvae will come around to eating pellets, which is very handy.

As mucky as the stock tanks are, in captivity keep them clean, or again, fungus has a way of taking over. Regular partial water changes are a must as is not crowding. They give off hormones and if the level rises in the water due to lack of water change or overcrowding, it will force them into premature transformation.

I've been lucky enough to find native populations even up at the North Rim of the Grand Canyon, breeding in meadows flooded with snow melt.

Some of the cattle tanks I've been monitoring in my area are now frozen over, and some of the larger ones are too far down icy and rutted dirt roads for me and my little Saturn to get to. I had hoped to come across some breeding as well as determine if the population at some of the larger tanks is neotonic.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • hhlarmore:
    Had a question that I just want to be sure of. My marbled newt is a little over a year old and has started to develop and I noticed that he is starting to swell a little below his abdomen. I guess I’d like to know if they are his testes or if I need to be concerned.
    +2
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Guess no one answers anything here, gonna have to make a post I gues
    +2
    Unlike
  • SkudulfXD:
    Hello!!! I'm new to this website and idk how to ask a proper question on the designated spot yet, so I'll ask here, I'm a first time Axolotl owner, and my dad used to run an aquarium store, anyways... Orca, my Axolotl, seems to loose parts of her toes on one limb from time to time, I can't seem to find the problem. Tempature is well, she doesn't seem to have any infections or anything, though. And I'm not sure if I'll be able to find a vet in Brazil for amphibians that are in a reasonable distance to drive without stressing Orca out too much
    20241201_124749.jpg
    20241201_124838.jpg
    +1
    Unlike
  • Toast69:
    Hello, I’m hoping for some advice please. Our Axolotl is about 7 months old. Till now no problem. Eating, growing and happy. He’s simply stopped eating. Everything looks fine, his gills look healthy and no apparent signs of sickness. He just swims past the pellets and bloodworm like he can’t smell it. I don’t think it’s a blockage either. Any ideas and suggestions for treatment would be much appreciated. Thank you!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Olivia:):
    what is the best thermometer for my axolotl tank? preferably on Amazon, and can you show me a picture or a link:) thank you!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Olivia:):
    Also should I have a fan hitting my axolotl tank 24/7?
    +1
    Unlike
  • thenewtster:
    does anyone know how to care for mud salamanders:)thanks.
    +1
    Unlike
  • thenewtster:
    hello
    +1
    Unlike
  • thenewtster:
    how long do mud salamanders live
    +1
    Unlike
  • thenewtster:
    im new to the salamaner comunity
    +1
    Unlike
  • thenewtster:
    hey guys, again im resarching mud salamander babys and there care:)
    +1
    Unlike
  • Katia Del Rio-Tsonis:
    Dear All, I would appreciate some help identifying P. waltl disease and treatment. We received newts from Europe early November and a few maybe 3/70 had what it looked like lesions under the legs- at that time we thought maybe it was the stress of travel- now we think they probably had "red leg syndrome" (see picture). However a few weeks later other newts started to develop skin lesions (picture enclosed). The sender recommended to use sulfamerazine and we have treated them 2x and we are not sure they are all recovering. Does anyone have any experience with P. waltl diseases and could give some input on this? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Katia Del Rio-Tsonis:
    sorry I am having a hard time trying to upload the pictures- I have them saved on my hard drive... any suggestions-the prompts here are not allowing for downloads that way as far as I can tell. Thanks
    +1
    Unlike
    Katia Del Rio-Tsonis: sorry I am having a hard time trying to upload the pictures- I have them saved on my hard... +1
    Back
    Top