Tiger Salamander with frog?

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Hello,
I was just wonderign if anyone had ever kept their tiger with any species of arboreal frogs. Assuming that they have the same habitat, and requirements,a nd foos items this seems like it would work out great. one is terrestrial and one arboreal.
Thanks!
 
I think it may sound great idea by our diurnal standards. However at night when things are more active, I think you'll likely run into some problems. I once had a tiger climb up a plant and out of a tank at night, so they aren't always so grounded. Additionally, I have had arboreal frogs and they can be quite happy sitting on the ground at night. I'm sure a tiger wouldn't be put off at a frog dinner if you gave them a chance.
 
Sounds like an excellent snack for the tiger salamander could result...

Personally, I do not recommend any sort of inter species set ups.
 
Hello,
I understand that many people are opposed to mixing species, I am not if it has been well researched ETC. I simply do not know anything about toxins. I am asking any experiance keepers, Are there any tree frogs that have been sucessfully kept with Tigers. I have a tank large enough to support them.
 
Neither Johnn (Sludgemonkey) nor Pete are newbies to this hobby or frogs.

If you look under their names on the left side of the screen you'll see a veritable string of little green dots. Those dots mean people respect them and their advice because its good solid advice founded in fact and experience.

If you look under most names here, you'll see only a couple of green dots or a single black/gray dot and occasionally a red dot. The green dots mean they are up and comers i.e. Learning about caudates. The black/gray dot means a newbie who is an unknown quantity. And the red dot means - well, its not good.

If Johnny & Pete told me to not house a frog with a salamander I wouldn't do it. I hope you see the logic.

Good luck!
 
I am not saying they are not experianced. But There are many people who have dead set aganst mixing, even if It can be done properly.
I do have a question though. Both said that a Tiger would jump at a chance to eat the frog (which I do agree with, They are CRAZY when it comes to food) But I am not thinking of a little frog, I am talking like a size of a white's tree frog. My tiger is not very large either, he is about 6 1/2 inches.
 
Truth is, in the past, I have built custom multiple species vivaria. I have in fact even built a few for myself. Three separate times, the "customers" wanted either a specific newt or salamander included on the species list. I did not know any better at the time, I was a fish person, so I built some beautiful units that could theoretically hose the multiple species comfortably.

All three times resulted in disaster.


What customers reported back to me:(Note, I did not choose or stock the animals, I merely set up/constructed the custom vivaria)

First case scenario: Ambystoma tigrinum, Hyla cinerea, various invertebrates. Result:With in three months A. tigrinum ate everything. No joke. These guys are predatory eating machines. 350 dollar 100 gallon viv with one tiger in it that stayed buried most of the time.

Second case scenario: Mail order leopard frog tadpoles, Eastern Spotted Newts, Bull frog. Result: well fed bullfrog followed shortly by bullfrog death after newts went "missing"...950 dollar, 6'x6'x6' paulaudium (finest one I have ever built so far) currently still being used to grow houseplants.

Third case scenario: "Pac Man" frogs, Firebelly newts, fire belly toads, and multiple anolis Result: one (the largest) well fed pac man frog, three fatally injured FBN. Customer ended up with a 175 gallon 700 dollar terrarium with the biggest PacMan frog you have ever seen living in it.

My own mistake mad early on in my aquaria hobby:
Ambystoma mexicanum, Cordoras, Neon Tetras, Betta Splendens, Cherry barbs, and a small Necturus. (very large schools of fish) Result: A well fed, badly injured axolotl, and a Necturus with a cory cat lodged in his gullet. Necturus died a few days later. Axolotl recovered, but was very raggedy looking for the next few years. Oh, and I was out about three months of work setting up a 200 gallon tank and about 75 bucks worth of fish.

Now, since this topic has come up recently and resulted in much argument, flamespraying and rude posts, I will add in here that these are my personal experiences.

Others have had different experiences.
I myself had had great success with various interspecies reptile set ups, fish set ups, and even a few multiple species scorpion set ups.

I do not condone "species mixing" when amphibians, especially when caudates are involved. I have seen nothing but heartbreak, unecessary animal death and suffering, and lots of wasted money. All caudates are carnivores, quite a few are active hunting predators, others are sit and wait types. Ambystomids in particular follow the "Laws of Axolotl" (in my signature).

Please do not think that I am attempting to insult you or your idea. Personally, I would love to do huge vivaria based on multiple species from various environments around the United States, however, it is the animals themselves that prevent me from doing this.

Your set up may in fact work if you do it. You may never have an issue, or you could discover the hard way wht so many of us learned the hard way. "Toxins" will be the least likely issue. Predation will most certainly be an issue.

However, this is just my experience with the subject. I have been unable to ever find hard data with valid, verifiable sources to back up what myself and others experienced, either for or against this subject.

Because my posts in this thread are opinion based on actual observed situations, please use this information as you see fit.
 
Thank you very much, That is the kind of stuff I want to see. Thank you for backing up your statement. I have asked several questions similar to this on other forums and everyone just replies with "Don't mix species." , but you have given real data that these combos would not work out. Though I would never had chosen to put any of those animals togeather especially #2 & #3 Thank you very much!
 
I am not saying they are not experianced. But There are many people who have dead set aganst mixing, even if It can be done properly.
I do have a question though. Both said that a Tiger would jump at a chance to eat the frog (which I do agree with, They are CRAZY when it comes to food) But I am not thinking of a little frog, I am talking like a size of a white's tree frog. My tiger is not very large either, he is about 6 1/2 inches.

You could always try it. One concern is that in a year or two your tiger will be larger. At this point you'll have to split them. So, are you capable of supporting/want to have two tanks in the future? Another thing to think about is that size is not necessarily an obstacle to a tiger salamander. They'll even give a human a shot, but not get much past the finger. Do you envision that it would be possible for a treefrogs limb to fit in your Tiger's mouth? Are you okay if this happens?

I have no problem with you questioning the opinions that you receive on the forum even from "experts". I can't think of any species of treefrog that would function longterm with a tiger. I suppose my question would be why do you want to put a treefrog with your tiger?

Edit: I suppose the other important question in all this is what size of enclosure are you planning on keeping them in?
 
Hello,
I understand that many people are opposed to mixing species, I am not if it has been well researched ETC. I simply do not know anything about toxins. I am asking any experiance keepers, Are there any tree frogs that have been sucessfully kept with Tigers. I have a tank large enough to support them.


No, there never has, the only type of frog that could be housed with it are native frogs that require the same habbitat, but all tree frogs would end up being a snack when the lights go off. Dont mix anything with a tiger salamander bcause they will eat it. ive seen a adult tiger salamander on youtube eat a adult whites tree frog and thats a pretty big frog. Dont mix species, its never good for any animals
 
I would also like to add don't mix the sizes either. A big tiger will eat a little tiger.
 
I am not saying they are not experianced. But There are many people who have dead set aganst mixing, even if It can be done properly.
I do have a question though. Both said that a Tiger would jump at a chance to eat the frog (which I do agree with, They are CRAZY when it comes to food) But I am not thinking of a little frog, I am talking like a size of a white's tree frog. My tiger is not very large either, he is about 6 1/2 inches.

I would be worried then that the white treefrog would have a go at eating the salamander. Both species will happily try and eat anything they think they might be able to fit in thier mouths.
 
Hello,
I was just wonderign if anyone had ever kept their tiger with any species of arboreal frogs. Assuming that they have the same habitat, and requirements,a nd foos items this seems like it would work out great. one is terrestrial and one arboreal.
Thanks!
I like the idea i did it once but the frog jumped out the tank and i found it under my tv all dry and dead put a lid. But the salamander and the frog did not fight at all. p.s. the frogs where 1 pac man,1 leopard. The pac man and the tiger sal did fight but not the leopard frog and the salamander .
 
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