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Taricha larvae
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kaysie
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Tim, you never cease to amaze me
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paris
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what do tarichas run out there in japan land?? about 150$ each??
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joseph
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Prolly as much as hynobiids in taricha land
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pin-pin
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Hey Tim! Congrats!!!
Do you know what the eggs originally looked like? That is the easiest way to distinguish between the two subspecies. I recall that there should be two lateral lines for T. torosa larvae.
Here's a pic of my original larva.
Do you know what the eggs originally looked like? That is the easiest way to distinguish between the two subspecies. I recall that there should be two lateral lines for T. torosa larvae.
Here's a pic of my original larva.
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Pin-pin, it seems the eggs were individually laid -- not in egg masses -- so would that make them granulosa? I was originally going to acquire the actual eggs from a friend of a friend who breeds them, but couldn't get to them in time.
Judging from your pic and the ones I posted at...
http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/13/17005.html?1087538627 ---I'd guessed torosa, but now I'm left to wonder.
Petranka's book "Salamanders of the United States and Canada" says torosa hatchlings are light yellow with two dark, narrow bands on the back, while granulosa "have a weak, dark dorsal stripe on either side of the body that becomes diffuse and ill-defined within a few weeks posthatching".
Paris, the figure you mentioned could get you a pair of them out here -- a trio if you're lucky.
I haven't been able to find my brine shrimp eggs to hatch and feed the larvae so they are now being "fed" tank crud from a nature-simulating tank that I figure must have some tiny invertebrates in it. I'm also adding frozen brine shrimp hatchlings to the water. Today I'll get some tubifex for them, though they seem still too small to handle any but the smallest of worms, and I'll try to score myself some brine shrimp eggs as well!
Judging from your pic and the ones I posted at...
http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/13/17005.html?1087538627 ---I'd guessed torosa, but now I'm left to wonder.
Petranka's book "Salamanders of the United States and Canada" says torosa hatchlings are light yellow with two dark, narrow bands on the back, while granulosa "have a weak, dark dorsal stripe on either side of the body that becomes diffuse and ill-defined within a few weeks posthatching".
Paris, the figure you mentioned could get you a pair of them out here -- a trio if you're lucky.
I haven't been able to find my brine shrimp eggs to hatch and feed the larvae so they are now being "fed" tank crud from a nature-simulating tank that I figure must have some tiny invertebrates in it. I'm also adding frozen brine shrimp hatchlings to the water. Today I'll get some tubifex for them, though they seem still too small to handle any but the smallest of worms, and I'll try to score myself some brine shrimp eggs as well!
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Looks like it's getting some food in its tiny stomach. Yours are definitely grans.
I also initially fed baby brine shrimp (tediously through a pipette)--but only for a week before it got big enough to tackle other foods. I know you're very pro-worm, but chopping up tubifex is really the way to go! It gets the worms in an incapacitated state so they don't crawl away as fast (if these larvae are anywhere as lazy as mine was....). A little blood always helps perk up interest.
Please do take some pictures when they go through metamorphosis. The dramatic color change from green to orange is fascinating.
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I also initially fed baby brine shrimp (tediously through a pipette)--but only for a week before it got big enough to tackle other foods. I know you're very pro-worm, but chopping up tubifex is really the way to go! It gets the worms in an incapacitated state so they don't crawl away as fast (if these larvae are anywhere as lazy as mine was....). A little blood always helps perk up interest.
Please do take some pictures when they go through metamorphosis. The dramatic color change from green to orange is fascinating.
(Message edited by apples on June 25, 2004)
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Well it may indeed have gotten some food in its tiny stomach <u>but</u> its siblings may have become food in the stomach of a C.ensicauda larvae I found in the tub 2 days after adding tank-bottom muck from a "naturalistic" tank. I was dumbfounded when I came cross it as I'd been taking photos before without noticing a thing. I had five larvae to begin with, but can now find only three...
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That's right, the larvae are not as poisonous yet? (I seem to recall that fish and turtles eat Taricha offsprings with ease....)
Speaking of which, it's been awhile since I've done some measurements.
Torosa has other ideas about being photographed
I'm out of here...
Speaking of which, it's been awhile since I've done some measurements.
Torosa has other ideas about being photographed
I'm out of here...
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Dear Tim,
haven´t seen your post earlier.
This is probably T.granulosa larvae (as Pin-pin has said right already).
The reasons: - eggs laid singularily
- T.gran. and T.tor. larvae have as just hatched larvae a two lateral bands, which disappear in T.gran as the larvae grows (as to be seen in one of your pictures). In T.tor.tor. the lateral bands stay, in T.tor.sierrae they stay, but get a little uncertain at the borders.
If you wait a little the difference get more obvious.
I have pictures of all of them, but haven´t them posted yet.
Have success with raising!
See you
Uwe
haven´t seen your post earlier.
This is probably T.granulosa larvae (as Pin-pin has said right already).
The reasons: - eggs laid singularily
- T.gran. and T.tor. larvae have as just hatched larvae a two lateral bands, which disappear in T.gran as the larvae grows (as to be seen in one of your pictures). In T.tor.tor. the lateral bands stay, in T.tor.sierrae they stay, but get a little uncertain at the borders.
If you wait a little the difference get more obvious.
I have pictures of all of them, but haven´t them posted yet.
Have success with raising!
See you
Uwe
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Cute Tarichas, Pin-pin. I can't wait for mine to grow up!
Thanks for the info, Uwe! Here they are as of today (well, one of them at least):
How's that for clarity
I seem to get better macro shots with this normal lens than with my macro lens...
Thanks for the info, Uwe! Here they are as of today (well, one of them at least):
How's that for clarity
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Just in time for my birthday.
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Happy Birthday! I couldn't think of a more fitting gift for you than a Torosa pic
I'm pretty sure I have three left out of the original five, though I only counted two. It seems two were eaten by a C.ensicauda larvae five times their size that slipped into their bowl by accident. What a tragedy! One of the two is now twice the size of the other one.
I'm pretty sure I have three left out of the original five, though I only counted two. It seems two were eaten by a C.ensicauda larvae five times their size that slipped into their bowl by accident. What a tragedy! One of the two is now twice the size of the other one.
