Tank Mates?

[Anthony370]

I'm moving my FBN to a 10 gallon tank and adding another one this weekend.

I was wondering if I could put something like a chiclid in the water? Thanks!

 

[AfroNewtkeeper]

A cichlid could be a hazard for the newts.
Caudata Culture Articles - Fish with Caudates
If you want fish, the best ideas would be rosy red minnows, white cloud minnows, or wild type guppies. Other than fish, most snails should be fine, as well as ghost shrimp.

 

[evut]

I'm not sure if I understand your post correctly but if you're adding another newt, make sure you have quarantined it for at least a month. There is an especially high risk if you're adding a newt from a pet shop.
Caudata Culture Articles - Quarantine and Disinfection

 

[Anthony370]

I'm not sure if I understand your post correctly but if you're adding another newt, make sure you have quarantined it for at least a month. There is an especially high risk if you're adding a newt from a pet shop.
Caudata Culture Articles - Quarantine and Disinfection

Even if I bought them from the same shop, less than 2 weeks apart?

 

[Coastal Groovin]

Probably not if its another 3 dollar newt from the same pet shop.

 

[AfroNewtkeeper]

If it's from the same shipment, skipping quarantine shouldn't hurt, but it never hurts.

 

[steve11]

Cichlids and Fire bellied newts have completely different requirements in terms of water temperature and other environmental factors. So best not to mix them. Probably best not to mix newts and fish at all, as in a ten gallon tank fire bellies will eventually eat smaller fish like mountain minnows etc.

 

[Thrillbilly]

I have been keeping and breeding all kinds of Cichlids both new and old world for the past 30 years. With that said, there isn't really any species I would consider keeping long term in a 10 gal aquarium; let alone any that I would consider keeping with a newt.

 

[AfroNewtkeeper]

If it's from the same shipment, skipping quarantine shouldn't hurt, but it never hurts.

Whoops. Just realized that my word choice doesn't make much sense. You could probably skip or shorten quarantine if you know the newts were both in the same shipment, but it never hurts to quarantine them anyways.

Why is the edit time so short anyways?

 

[sde]

Like others have said, fish should not be kept with this species, and shouldn't be kept with caudates in general. For several reasons. The fish might attack them, http://www.caudata.org/forum/f46-be...ter-dog-tiger-salamender.html?highlight=tiger They can carry parasites, and might stress your salamander, which may lead to decreases in food consumption. Snails are great though. I have some little reddish brown ones in my tank, and they are really cool, plus they help keep the tank clean, and are a food source. I would recommend smaller ones though, they are easier for them to eat, and then you can have more.

I don't know why the edit is so short, when you go off the internet or shut down the computer in any way you cant edit anymore. I would love it if it was longer, but oh well :happy:.

I hope this helps Anthony! -Seth

 

[Chinadog]

There's a thread about it somewhere but I can't find it, the edit is short to stop people "re-writing history". If people could start changing old posts some threads might stop making sense after a few years.

 

[Anthony370]

Well, in the process of moving the tanks around to setup a short quarantine (both newts were from the same shipment), both of my tanks managed to spring a leak. My newts are in safe haven at my girlfriend's house, chilling out with two cory cats, a zebra danio (one out of an initial 5), and a goldfish that seems afraid of them. I took my floating island with them so don't worry - they're fine. My white cloud minnows, on the other hand, are living in a mason jar until I can get this silicone to dry.

I had a tube of quick drying silicone - but of course I forgot I had that and went with the regular stuff. I know of a way to chemically accelerate drying - but idk if its safe. Is white window caulk safe? I know if I mix it with silicone it drys almost instantly.

 

[AfroNewtkeeper]

They should be okay in there for a while, but they need to be returned or moved as soon as possible. I would recommend you leave them in a plastic container filled with paper towels. If you do this, they're much safer, and you only need to keep the paper towels wet, and replace them every other day. With the fishtank, the water conditions are different than what they're used to, and the Corys pose a threat. Not to mention, the temperature is most likely too high.

 

[Anthony370]

They should be okay in there for a while, but they need to be returned or moved as soon as possible. I would recommend you leave them in a plastic container filled with paper towels. If you do this, they're much safer, and you only need to keep the paper towels wet, and replace them every other day. With the fishtank, the water conditions are different than what they're used to, and the Corys pose a threat. Not to mention, the temperature is most likely too high.

I usually do the paper towel thing, but they were tankless for about 16 hours, so I figured they'd be better off in my GF's tank.

Got my silicone done and my newts back. I still need to fix my smaller tank, which had a far bigger leak and might take a while - because I have to seal the entire bottom. So I sort of had to skip the quarantine period. But - since the newts came from the same shipment and lived together at the pet shop, I think they'll be fine.

My larger newt appears stressed out and is sitting on the land. My smaller little guy has been enjoying himself on the bottom - casually observing the minnows. He's been under water for over 2 hours... But is still moving around and has easy access to air, either by getting on top of the floating plant or the island.

Now I just need to buy a new filter pad. I know they don't like strong current so I have a 5 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank.

 

[Anthony370]

I usually do the paper towel thing, but they were tankless for about 16 hours, so I figured they'd be better off in my GF's tank.

Got my silicone done and my newts back. I still need to fix my smaller tank, which had a far bigger leak and might take a while - because I have to seal the entire bottom. So I sort of had to skip the quarantine period. But - since the newts came from the same shipment and lived together at the pet shop, I think they'll be fine.

My larger newt appears stressed out and is sitting on the land. My smaller little guy has been enjoying himself on the bottom - casually observing the minnows. He's been under water for over 2 hours... But is still moving around and has easy access to air, either by getting on top of the floating plant or the island.

Now I just need to buy a new filter pad. I know they don't like strong current so I have a 5 gallon filter in a 10 gallon tank.

Is it normal for a newt to spend over 2 days underwater without coming up for air? He's still moving around, though

 

[Kaysie]

I really wouldn't keep them in fish like cory cats (impalement risk) and goldfish (mmmm tasty newt toes!). They'd be much better off in a temporary paper towel setup.

 

[AfroNewtkeeper]

Is it normal for a newt to spend over 2 days underwater without coming up for air? He's still moving around, though

If the water has enough oxygen in it, then they can spend quite a while underwater. Are you sure he hasn't come up for air? Also, what's his tank look like at the moment?

 

[Anthony370]

If the water has enough oxygen in it, then they can spend quite a while underwater. Are you sure he hasn't come up for air? Also, what's his tank look like at the moment?

Its pretty clean and the water is fairly clear. The filter creates a waterfall so that oxygenates the water as well as the plants. I know I have a hornwort in there but I don't remember what the other plant is.

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[evut]

Is this your permanent set up? I would recommend making some changes. Firstly, more plants. Ideally all over the tank. What is your substrate like? If there are any larger stones, the newt might swallow one while feeding which can be dangerous. You should also provide some hiding places - eg. a submerged coconut shell, drift wood, or use slate and bricks.

 

[Anthony370]

Is this your permanent set up? I would recommend making some changes. Firstly, more plants. Ideally all over the tank. What is your substrate like? If there are any larger stones, the newt might swallow one while feeding which can be dangerous. You should also provide some hiding places - eg. a submerged coconut shell, drift wood, or use slate and bricks.

Substrate is sand

I'll go get another bundle of hornwort

The newts hide either under the rock, behind the rock, or between the rock and a densely planted part - so I don't think they're desperately in need of another hiding place. They can definitely hide. So well that I thought I lost one last night.