Skinny skinny Taricha

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meghan

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Broke down and went back to get this guy (or girl).
Going to require plenty of TLC. I've already looked over past posts and articles, hopefully I can fatten him up. If anyone else has any pointers, let me know!
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Good Luck! I recently aquired 10 of these guys, and I love them.
 
he doesnt look too bad actually-ive seen worse and gotten them back to health. try and see if he will take a glob of frozen bloodworms-keep him by himself so hes got no one to scare him away from food. they eat best when in water-the smell of food seems to excite them. if he is willing to eat on his own-that is a good sign, if not let me know and i can give you pointers on force feeding.
 
Paris- Noticed this guy has trouble eating. He sucks the food in yet it seems to get squirted back out. There's a difference between how he's doing it and from other newts when they eat something then spit it back out. Seems this guy have a problem with keeping it in his mouth long enough to push it back to his throat. I isolate him and feed him ample amounts of bloodworms daily. I've made it a habit to feed in the same corner and he actively seeks out the food. Perhaps something developed wrong in his mouth?
 
Eek, no pointers, just sympathy. I hope the little guy pulls through.
 
this is from my post about my skinny guy

i had been offering him worm chunks-he took notice of the food but didnt pursue them to eat-so i had to force feed him. i had him in the same hospital set up with the female below-so i didnt notice that he didnt keep the worm chunks down-it wasnt till after i separated them that i saw he threw up the worm chunks-i thought it was perhaps since the food was active so i fed him a piece of krill (again i had to force feed him)-i noticed less than a half hour later that he regurgitated that too-now i was worried since he didnt keep down dead food. i decided what to offer him that would be easiest on his system-blood, from blood worms. i decided to try the worms first-so i loaded up a small amount in a syringe that had the needle removed. i was able to get this into his mouth and inject it in the back of his throat-he was able to keep this down

even if he cant keep the solids down the blood from the worms is better than nothing. it may be his mouth has ulcers on the inside which prevent him from swallowing. mine is now taking blood worms eagerly from a toothpick but he will not eat worm chunks or crickets on his own
 
Interesting. I'll give it a try. I might try mincing the bloodworms. Would beef heart have any benefits with the bloodworms? What's the best way to pry open it's mouth?
 
use a smooth edged thin piece of plastic, or the edge of a laminated business card, or even a twisty tie and wedge it in on the side of their mouth-right about where the lips end (either side), this will get them to open their mouth. be careful but be quick (you could have another person help you), i put the end of the syringe into the mouth -not too deep, just deep enough so that they cant close their mouth.i then squirt the worms slowly in-you really dont have to chop them up-i just dissolve one frozen cube of blood worms and draw some of them up into a syringe with the needle removed (usually insulin syringe size) in tarichas their bottom jaw is the one that moves-like in us mammals-but in some species its the top, so keep that in mind if you ever need to apply this to a different species. i wouldnt use beef heart because its got a lot of solids in it and is probably not as easy to digest. my choice of blood worms was because there is so little to digest in them and as a last ditch effort -if he couldnt keep the solids down he might be able to keep some of the blood down, luckily he was able to keep the blood worms down. thie is not a pleasent experience for them and you will probably get them to release some of their toxins (it will smell like cut weeds) so make sure to wash your hands afterwards. also they will probably thrash back and forth, so try with methods of holding them where the movement of the head can be minimalized. also remember when holding them that they do not have a rib cage -so dont squeeze too hard! its a delicate balance and experience is the best teacher.
 
I have had luck with holding mine lightly and useing tweezers to push the bloodworms slowly towards him, but it only works underwater. My newts have had trouble with the new bloodworms, the are frozen in a circle so somehow is doesn't break up like the cubes. The news try to eat as much as they can in one gulp, but they can't rip it apart as well. Well Paris pretty much told you what you need to know, just thought I would mention the diffrences in bloodworm blocks vrs. bubbles.
 
Thanks for the advice Paris. I <u>appreciate</u> it! Jeff- luckily I have only cubes. I've never seen the bubbles sold around here but I'll keep that in mind.
 
meghan-hows he/she doing? i forgot to mention about feeding that you dont want to return them to water for a time, if the food is not fully down they can use the water to help clear their mouth, so wait a while before reintroducing them to water. also one way to make sure they have downed the food is to watch their eyes. when they swallow they will blink their eyes, the eyes actually retract into the skull and through the roof of the mouth to help push the food down, so even if they have food in their mouth they may not swallow it-use the blinking as an indication of weather its gone down-it may take several tries for them since the mouth is probably sore on the inside.
 
Thanks for asking Paris! He's still kicking. Not gaining any weight yet but I'm working on it. From what I've observed, his eyes do close and sink in, sign that he's swallowing food. Also to note, he's keeping food down finally.
I'm now encountering a minor problem with one of my maculatums...posted a pic and discription under the help section if you don't mind checking that one out.
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Unfortunately, my little guy died sometime last night. Despite my efforts and all the advice I followed, it wasn't enough. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat though. It was worth it for the experience.
 
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