One of my many babies

[liznewton85]

So all my babies look like this..at what point can you tell what color they will be? My female is a white melanoid so I'm told because of her eyes and my male is an albino..none of the eggs were white so I'm assuming there's no albino in this clutch...I was also told my white melanoid could throw more of a lavender melanoids is this true?

 

[auntiejude]

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Only albino females lay white eggs. Albino babies from black eggs are kinda grey to start with but the lighten up. Colour is usually aparrent in the last few days before they hatch, although it may be difficult to be exact until they have actually hatched.

What do you mean by white melanoid? White = leucistic, they don't have visible iridophores because the d/d genes prevent any pigment cell migration, hence the white colour, but they may carry M, AX and albino genes.

Do you know the genotypes of the parents?

 

[liznewton85]

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No I don't...I posted pictures of her awhile ago on here and was told she was a white melanoid because her eyes don't reflect light

 

[liznewton85]

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alkylhalide is who told me about it they have one too ???

 

[EmbryH]

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I think they mean it's a straight up albino, not axanthic, no iridophores.

 

[Alkylhalide]

I dont remember this? Lmao! White melanoid is what I call a axolotl with black eyes but no iridophores. Does someone else call it something different? It is like a leucistic with no iridophores

On the first post it says mother is white melanoid--hense why she produced black eggs because she is not an albino.

 

[liznewton85]

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Yea I wasn't sure about the egg color someone had told me it's if the baby is albino not the mother when the egg is white..but I get that..now I'm trying to understand the whole melanoid thing lol

 

[bugdozer]

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According to axolotl.org:

White melanoid (albino melanoid) has m/m and a/a genetics and has almost no pigment except a few xanthophores.
What alkylhalide describes as a white melanoid is a leucistic, according to that page.

It is possible to be both melanoid AND albino by being homozygous for the albinism genes AND the melanism genes. It's not one gene which is either albino or melanoid.
Melanoids have no iridophores, but axanthic albinos also have no iridophores.

 

[liznewton85]

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http://www.caudata.org/forum/f46-be...iscussion/89721-leucistic-white-melanoid.html

There's quite a few pages on this I'm noticing

 

[liznewton85]

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So eyes don't reflect light..she has freckles...and is pink..what is she lmao!

 

[Alkylhalide]

One if my many babies

But see since melanoids have no iridophores. In my head I call a white axolotl with black eyes and no iridophores a white melanoid because you also have white axolotls with black eyes and iridophores that from what I can understand is also considered a leucistic. To me it makes a bit more sense to call a white(or leucistic as per axolotl.org) a white melanoid and a leucistic with iridophores a leucistic. And that is what I always get told they are.

I guess I also call albinos that are melanoid simply just melanoid albinos >.< now you guys are making me think I ammaking things up lmao! But this is what I have accumulated over time from these forums to call different color morphs

 

[Alkylhalide]

But now that I think about it I understand where you are coming from. But its still confusing on what to call each color morph lmao

 

[auntiejude]

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But leucistics don't have iridophores. The d/d genes prevent ANY pigment cells migrating, including iridophores.
This is a developmental mutation (meaning it affects the animal's development rather than genetic colour) rather than a true colour morph, and a d/d white animal with black eyes can still carry M and AX genes that are hidden.
There is no colour difference between
d/d M/- A/a AX/- and d/d m/m A/- ax/ax, and you'll only know what the genes are when they breed.

 

[Alkylhalide]

Okay. So I understand now, so a true leucistic is no iridophores, what do you call a axolotl that is white with black eyes and iridophores then? i just want to make sure I understand better for future reference thank you.

 

[auntiejude]

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OK, some leucistics may appear to have shiney eye rings, but they don't have iridophores all over. It's still a leucistic whether it has an eye ring or not. The definition of leucistic is the d/d gene combination.

If you look at the common leucistic patterns they have a few (or sometimes more) dark freckles over their face and spine, but there are very rarely any iridophores. The d/d genes prevent any colour expression through the body and confine any pigment cells to the head, face and spine.

If an axie is white/pink and has lots of iridophores/xanthaphores/melanophores it may well be an incomplete expression of D, M, AX or A genes, but it would be prety unusual - like a harlequin - but would not technically be leucistic.

 

[liznewton85]

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They are getting so big