Newt id needed please

[sebastianbawn]

Hi, I was really hoping someone may be able to identify my pics, Im at a loss. I think one may be an Alpine Newt (unsure of sex) but the other is a complete mystery to me. Bigger pics are available

 

[Shadow]

The first one looks like a Paddle-tail newt and the second deffo is an Alpine newt.

 

[Greatwtehunter]

Ok pic #1 is Pachytriton labiatus and pic #2 is Mesotriton alpestris.

 

[sebastianbawn]

Thanks guys thats great. Struggled with the alpine as its not as bright as most pictures ive seen, and the paddle-tail just completely baffled me lol. Thanks again guys its appreciated