New tennants -tylo's and hynobids -pictures

[paris]

well here are some pictures of the new animals - i have bought 28 new newts in the past week-all fresh off the import planes-and looking a little less for wear! i just went to the vet to get them all checked out -as well as my new cat and some leopard geckos....here is the newt portion of the bill -see how it compares to the cat? (exotics are always more money to see)

here are some of the tylos pictures -the first is a group photo-this is what they are getting medicated in

the kweichows are the best looking-although 3 have head wounds and one has a newly missing tail-i had some batryl left over from before so i started them a few days ago-i ran out though! here is a shot of some good weight kwie's-these are no small newts! very attractive too.

these are some on the slimmer end of the spectrum-as well as an average shot of the shanjings-which look so so in health

i was told by the supplier they were eating-but this shows that most were not-i always wondered what the green stuff some newts passed was -my vet said its bile and its because they have nothing in their system

the solution to this health issue is to try to stabilise their systems-they will get 10 days (as well as the hynobids) of batryl then once they are eating ok (provided they live) and have put on some weight then they will get flagyl treatment. i will post next the hynobid pics and some other stuff....

(Message edited by paris on June 24, 2004)

(Message edited by paris on June 24, 2004)

 

[paris]

ok here are some pics of the hynobids-these guys are not in good health-i only have 1 of the tokyo's that is good weight-3 others are ok-ish-provided they will willingly eat.
here is a pic of the tokyo with good weight next to one that is too thin (these are subadults)

here is what the average look like

my black hynobids are adults but all are underweight-2 have newly cut off tails and a few have bent ones-i believe this to be from containers during import (they can move fast!)

one of them cannot raise its head and has an injured leg (swollen/red) that is the one i worry about loosing most.

and finally here is my newest edition -to my mammal collection -bringing me up to a grand total of 2! people who see him think hes a dog!

my sister called me and said they had a sphynx (hairless cat)at the pound. i have one already and she is 14, so i went down to see him. he is no sphynx-he does have hair-just very short-and softer than velvet! here is 'vincent' modelling his new look-the drawback is the other cat is laughing at him...the plus is he gets great reception!

the legs and profile are the norm for his breed-he is a cornish rex- i am suprised he was found on the streets and no one came to claim him!(he is declawed too)

he has yet to learn the word 'no' (which means 'drop everything and run for it') rhrahat (pronounced 'rat') my other cat knows this-she also knows to leave escaped newts and snakes (i used to have those)and lizards alone-but she will 'mmrrrph!' very loudly if she sees one--and if i see her over excited and talking alot when i get home -i know someone is out (one lizard-a tegu-is almost as big as her). vincent eats just about everything (i have yet to see him interact with my taxidermy...)so i'll have to instill some caution into him. he loves to eat crickets! but i am wondering about frogs and newts i have here-i know they arent very toxic-but to an 8 lb cat well??? here is my last pic-one of vincent (named after the actor vincent price-btw) in his new life-note the siren being medicated next to him (sitting on top the cat box-with syringe next to it) and tank behind him, and his meds on the floor (for a skin irritation-thats why hes got the collar)

 

[clarence]

I applaud your choice of Namesakes!

 

[kaysie]

Paris, what's your weekly food bill look like (minus the human staples of Ramen and Spaghetti-os)?

 

[paris]

kaysie,
weekly food bill can be as little as 14$ or as much as 55$ (that is taking a months worth of crix ordered all at once and dividing by 4)-then there is the additional housing i pay for (200$ /month) and the non food items-and gas to get from my house to the store front. since the animals have low metabolism it isnt as bad as it could be -say if i kept this many frogs or lizards. my animals are at weight -but obesity is not a problem here.

on another note-one of my black hynobids died today -it was still moving when it was time to treat it with meds-but i think the meds may have been the last straw (i am doing this with vets orders -btw)-it is not the one i thought i might loose -but it is one that had its tail cut off recently. of the rest of the blacks-they are all suprisingly active for their health now-and i have seen many eat small crickets. the blacks arent in as bad of health as the tokyos-i have 1 at weight and 3 near weight with those -that leaves 3 underweight -and those are the ones i worry about-the tokyos dont show much interest in food-and the thin ones especially - i have separated those out into another container and they have alot of live moss to feel secure in. the shanjiings and the kweichows both seem ok with eating -most of them at least watching food as it goes by -and about 1/2 eating already. for those that wouldnt take small crix i offered up bloodworms in the water -and 3 took me up on it -but only 1 that didnt eat on land otherwise.

 

[TJ]

That's exactly my monthly cricket bill, $55. But then on top of that I have the monthly bloodworm and mysis shrimp and tubifex bills, which I haven't calculated yet. Not to forget the outrageous electricity bill! But it's all money well spent and I would easily opt to reduce numbers of newts kept than to cut back on the cost of caring for them. Sorry to hear you lost a nigrescens. Sometimes all it takes is a slight disturbance to send an already dying newt to that great vernal pond in the sky...

 

[jesse]

amen brother tim, would sister paris like to give the eulogy for her fallen salamander?

 

[foster]

Paris,
I ordered 7 shanjings and 5 kweichow's. They are setup in quarantine enclosures and most are eating very well. There are 2 that need more coaxing to eat (as I sit patiently with a waxworm held by forceps for 20 minutes) but they are eating. I have flagyl but have decided to wait and see how they do - if they continue to eat and put on weight I will not administer it. As you noted with your group the kweichow's look better overall however with 2 exceptions the shanjing's do not look bad either. The 2 shanjings that look not-so-good are eating very well however and have even improved in overall appearance in the week that I have had them. Hopefully I will not lose any.
Chip Reves

 

[paris]

yeah the tylos are not the ones i worry about too much -most of them eat ok-but i did see the green spots in their temp container-one good reason to put white damp papertowles on the bottom on temp contaiers-you can easily see what they are passing. i decided to make a big step to reduce stress though and put them in a perm set up -i take them out daily to medicate them for 10 mins each with topically applied batryl. the hynobids are another story-i have separated out the good eaters from the bad eaters-so that the better feeding ones dont bully the others or gorge on food. though the blacks are more active -i have yet to see all of them eat -i may have to separate out those too.

 

[foster]

I use moist sphagnum in my quarantine enclosures. It holds the humidity up but you are correct in that it makes monitoring of the stool difficult. Everytime that I have tried using moist paper towels I have either let it get too dry or so wet that the stool gets all soupy (now that's a pleasant thought!). On another note, I am worried about one of the kweichow's. It did eat once but regurgitated. I tried last night and several times today to entice feeding without success. It is not particularly skinny so I am hoping that it will start to feed again. All of the others appear to be doing very well. OK, the sun is actually shining here in VA so I am going to get some air. Take care.
Chip Reves

 

[paris]

an update here -since i lost the 1 black i have been doing ok with the rest. medication ends today and i have seen every remaining black hynobid eat and also the thinnest 3 of the tokyo's (i didnt bother watching the other tokyo's they are in a different container and are expected to eat well enough - judging by their weight -but i may watch them soon to make sure). all the tylos are doing ok-the one with the chopped off tail is healing nicely. they still have sores on 4 of their heads but these range from light skin areas to one that still will bleed a bit -mostly after topical batryl is applied to it - i do do 1 spot on the head -they get 1 drop per inch of body length (including tail). also on the road to recovery is one of my arboreals -it was equal weight with the other 2 adults/subadults -they all lived in 1 heavily planted 20 (or 29?) gallon tall tank. when i did one of my occasional spot ferretings for occupants (to check health) i found it to be very thin and poorly regrowing a tail. i am guessing by this that the other 2 decided to become a 'pair' and then bullied this one. it would be interesting to know -since its a juvie- if its male or female. if its female and excluded there may be some weight to the idea that at least in captivity these guys are monogamous.....anyways at first it refused food in the quarentene box and was very lethargic. now after about 8 days of meds it began eating -but will take time to put back on weight. i have had it separated and medicated for 10 days also and will keep it separate until the weight picks up enough and then will give it its own tank.

 

[foster]

I'm glad to hear that the rest of your shipment seems to be doing well. I lost the one kweichow that had regurgitated it's food. All of the others (kweichows and shanjings) are eating great. As a matter of fact I fed them earlier today and they went nuts over thawed krill. I am considering treating with flagyl however because several of them are passing their food largely undigested. The few shanjings with sores are healing nicely. I have been applying neosporin and it seems to be doing the trick. How are your kweichows set up? The little bit of info that I have found suggests that they are terrestrial however the tails are so broadened that I cannot help but wonder.
Chip Reves

 

[jessica]

All I have to say is your office call price for 1 cat is cheap at $10 out here it's $35-$40. Sorry about the one you lost and good luck with the rest.

 

[paris]

well jessica-thats the 'additional' pet fee. the first group seen was the leo geckos and they were an exotic first seen-so charged full price of 35$-i believe a normal first seen fee is 25--30$ then its an additional 10$ per animal. the way the exotics went was 35$ for the first seen then 25$ for each additional 'exotic' she didnt charge me by newt but by genus -so one fee for the tylos one for the hynobids and one fee for the one lesser siren.

most are doing very well-even the suprisingly skinny ones are eating well-i have to go in and feed them in a few hours. the hynobids are better eaters despite being much thinner/weaker animals (they are in quarenteine containers still) i am thinking of weeding out the eaters from non eaters in the tylo batches-i am not convinced all of them are eating and it may just be an intimidation issue. the kwei's are the best eaters and some even eating in the water too. im going to have to work this out somehow-you people dont know how lucky you are to have the convenences of living with your animals. im really needing to monitor them multiple times a day to see this sort of stuff-my option is to bring them here and somehow keep them cooler than 78-80 w/o putting them in the fridge-im not sure how well the frozen 2L bottle would work here.

 

[paris]

just a general pic here on the black sals -how well they are doing after 3 weeks-not good pics but good enough to show improvement. one still cannot move her back knee foward-so i think that was broken by whatever also chopped off a few tails (im thinking cages/containers)