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i have a ten gallon tank that i am going to turn into a paludarium (next few months) but i am having trouble finding suitable inhabitants. i would prefer something that spends equal amounts of time on land and water and could be kept in pairs. im sorry but im lazy if anyone could provide links or good sites that would be great or just ideas too

thanks
 
well it dosen't matter to me i have a heater i could use. i guess it depends on what i get
 
Hey, I always like seeing native Michiganders here.

If you plan on using newts, you dont need the heater. Equal time in water and onland... Your best bet would probably be adult Triturus or Notopthalmus.
 
Hey! my family's from michigan, if you want something that spends equal time in land and water I've heard that Pleurodeles watl is like that, the alpine newt (triturus alpestris) is a bit like that but predominantly aquatic. The alpine crested newt (triturus carnifex) is also an option, I've never kept any of these newts but there are many people on this site who have and who can tell you more about these newts than I can.
 
Jeremy, depending on you house temps, you would probably be more in need of a chiller than a heater. What is the max summer temp in the room where you would keep it? If it's too warm, you may do better with some kind of frog rather than newts.

Pleurodeles waltl would not be good; they never leave the water and they get too big. Most of the Triturus would be good bets. Also you might want to look into Taricha and Cynops species.

See:
http://www.caudata.org/cc/faq/faq.shtml
http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/setups.shtml
http://www.caudata.org/cc/species/Salamandridae.shtml
 
Unless the room stays below 75F year round, forget newts. Have you considered Bombina orientalis? They'd be perfect for this setup.
 
hi everyone
thanks for the help!
well the tank will be located in the basement
it gets max about 60 down there in the summer and about 75 in the winter (Farenheit)
im open to any animal i just always wanted a tank that had land and water.

i was thinking about catching some frogs from the ditch near my house but they get so big and the ditch is polluted. one time i actually found a snapping turtle in there! (also a pike)

anyway if there is anything that needs a bigger tank i have a 29 g that i'll use if i have to.

(i wanted to save it for a planted aquarium)

thanks so much for the suggestions i'll look up those species

jeremy
 
well i looked at Notopthalmus and i really like the eastern newt. i could tear down my other ten gallon if i ever tried to breed them. it would also be cool to have a north american species.

as always if anyone thinks no or anything its okay to me i just don't want something that sits there all day.
 
well some cynops orientalis would rpolly be a good bet , since ive heard that some o the yourng ones and even some older ones can go stretches of time being terrestrial, i know mine usually always spend some time on land when its available to them, how are you going to make the land/water separation? i think that adding shelves is a better idea than the standard tank divider that separates water from land idea, also some of the decorations that they sell for fish would go really nice glued to the sides in their sides to an ten gallon aquarium.
 
Yeah I have a cynops Orientalis who lives one land but occasionally goes into the water but its not always like this. If you have a group of large animals there's almost always bound to be one hanging out on land.
 
well i like those firebellies but my friend had some and all they did was sit there all day. is there something to do to make them more active ? (less light?)um i have some plexiglass i was going to use since this seemed the easiest. but it dosen't matter to me.
 
If you want something that's active, forget newts. all 95% of newts do is sit around and do nothing. Aquatic animals are generally more active (axolotls, my aquatic triturus are more active than the terrestrial ones), but for the most part, caudates in general are really lazy. the only really 'active' caudates I've seen are axolotls (and Jeff's Pleurodeles, but they're active in amplexus, so that doesnt count).
 
well i looked again and i think i want to get
Notopthalmus viridescens viridescens. what do you guys think ? i could raise adults in my 29 gallon and if i breed them i could put the juveniles in the 10 gallon until i sell them. i would love doing two tanks the more the merrier! this would also be fun for me because i could collect native plants to put in there. if anyone thinks this is a bad idea or has some ideas for the two setups, please let me know.

jeremy
 
This sounds like a good idea to me. Salamandra would not be good because they are almost completely (and the alpine salamander is completely) terrestrial. Notopthalmus should be good.
 
ok thanks everyone for all your help

and the lucky winner is the eastern newt!

if anyone has any tips on keeping these guys please let me know.

jeremy
 
The Caudata Culture Caresheet should help quite a bit. They seem undemanding, though a few members have mentioned the efts dying for seemingly no reason. Definetly give breeding a try.
 
hey i was reading some past posts made at the Notopthalmus and Taricha board and saw some people mentioning that they cant keep them alive for more than a year. is this true? is there any way to stop it ? ahhhhhhhhhhhhh! i really like this newt but i dont want to get some if there going to die in a year because i wanted to breed them. please if anyone has any information please tell me. ahhhhhhhhhh!
 
Many that come from pet shops are in bad shape and don't live long. Notophthalmus are really hit or miss - they can live very long, or they can be prone to inexplicable disasters. If you can find a local site to collect your own, you are sure to be starting with healthy animals, at least.
 
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