Question: Natural Habitat?

Elliriyanna

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I would like to know if its a viable option to make a all natural habitat for my orientalis, Introduce prey items that will breed and populate themselves they can hunt for and I would just have to do water changes. I only have 3 tiny orientalis but I thought this might be a fun endeavor and more natural for them.
 
Look up the Walstad method of planted tanks. Basically a method using soil under your substrate to promote great plant growth. Animal waste then disintegrates through the substrate into the soil, keeping it nutrient rich, and stopping it from fouling the water. I'd suggest 1 inch of soil, with the thinnest possible layer of sand on top, just to keep the soil from floating up. You should plant this tank extremely densely from the very beginning to prevent algae blooms and nutrient build up from the soil. It is tough at first, but once a set up like this is established, the only maintenance it needs is water top ups, and just an air stone to provide mild circulation. No more gravel vaccums and big water changes! PM me if you want to know how I prepared the soil for my tank, as this can make or break your Walstad.

As for live food, mature tanks contain a whole selection of small creatures. I don't know about any breeding in your tank enough to keep a newt well fed, but I do know they feed on my colony of pond snails, because I keep seeing many tiny ones but never any past a certain size. A colony of red cherry shrimp will also provide an occasional snack, though they are too fast to catch most of the time. You can leave blackworms, tubifex and bloodworms in the tank in small numbers as well, the newts are capable of hunting them at their leisure. However I don't think any co-habitant live food will ever match up to a good earthworm in terms of nutrition, and I suggest that you keep them on earthworms as a staple.
 
I do not have them on earthworms, I just can not chop them small enough so they are on bloodworms.
 
I'm not sure if anyone actually knows what H. orientalis habitat looks like? If there are any proper descriptions or pictures i'd love to see them! If there is any they are probably in chinese. All we do know is that they thrive under similar conditions to C. pyrrhogaster so making a exact natural biotope tank for H. orientalis will be very difficult without knowing how they live and what plants grow there etc. The only thing i've ever read is that they live in cold still waters with a muddy bottom.
 
I did not want to set up their natural habitat ... More of a self maintaining eco system ...

I know how to care for them :) My trio are very happy.

Why do you call them H. Orientalis? They are Cynops Orientalis.
 
I think the Walstad method that Aeon has mentioned will give you what you want, i found the book quite complicated to read in places but the method is pretty simple and there are plenty of people on here who swear by it and their tanks look lovely!
The Chinese firebellied newt and its close relatives are called Hypselotriton now, Cynops is just used for the Japanese species from what i understand. I'll always think of them as Cynops orientalis though, it just sounds nicer!
 
I can vouch for walstads!:)

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I struggled a little with the name change at first because the name Cynops orientalis was so iconic, but nowadays i even prefer how Hypselotriton sounds. Chinadog is correct, Hypselotriton is for the chinese species, and Cynops is for pyrrhogaster and ensicauda.
By the way, not only is it more correct to say Hypselotriton orientalis, the specific name "orientalis" should never be capitalized.

It is technically possible to create an almost self sustaining ecosystem that would provide enough for a few H.orientalis, but definitely not in a 10 gallon tank, that´s simply not possible, you´d need a much larger volume.
 
K well I just need the food to sustain itself ...
 
Like I said, it will be very difficult to find a self sustainingfood source. Much less one that can provide for a newts full nutritional needs.. Also as azhael says, a 10 gallon is much too small for what you're proposing. The newts would easily hunt a food culture to extinction, and to create a large enough culture would possibly overload your tanks bioload. The only food that would reproduce in your tanks would be pond snails or aquatic worms, and I'm sure you wouldn't want a huge writhing mass of worms in your tank :p If you want your newts to live a "natural" life in your set up, the best you can do is continually stock it with food that can co-habitate till found. I always have a small population of tubifex and bloodworms in my tank for my newts to hunt. But a reproducing colony wont be possible, sorry :/

Also, is there a reason you cant chop the earthworms? Bloodworms apparently are nutritionally incomplete and will lead to problems if used as staples. If you can't chop the worms, feed them smaller ones. My newts can easily swallow a worm their own body length.
 
well I have a 20 long up now that may be better.

I have horrible luck not chopping my fingers, the best I can do are 1 inch pieces and they are as thick as my poor newts.
 
It would be great if the prey items breeded and got eaten and so forth as this would make things SOOOO much easier! But too bad that cant really be the case. What about Daphnia? Couldn't they breed in a newt/sal tank? They obviously couldn't be a primary food source for adults but would provide some food. Just a thought :happy:. -Seth
 
Yeah my 8 inch lotls have trouble eating these guys.

I tried blackworms ... And killed them ...

Thanks Seth thats what I have been trying to say.
 
I did mention several times that you can have co habitating, self sustaining food, but it just wont be enough to keep them healthy..
 
I know you did, and to me thats not good enough, They deserve a healthy life.
 
For a healthy life, a newt in captivity needs earthworms or some other nutritionally complete food. Bloodworms just wont cut it. I'm really not trying to be argumentative here. My newts take a staple of earthworms every 2-3 days, and have a constant live supply of aquatic worms, shrimp and snails. I feel this provides complete nutrition as well as allowing them to practice hunting as they would in the wild. I hope you find the best balance in feeding your newts as well :)
 
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