My tank set up (my new one)

[patrick]

well my tank has come along way since i 1st posted when i only had a 10 gallon
well the pictures are not very good since all i have is a web cam but here they are

this is a pic of my old tank then my new tank, the new one is a 46 gallon tank, it has like a bowfront or whatever were its curved at the front. its pretty nice cam with a stand the whole bit, ill show u each section closer now

this is the right side the big rock (u can see my monster snail on the glass in the back) there is a cave under it with 3 entrences my cory's and snails seem to like it more then my newts

this is the pots in the middle of my tank my rainbow sharks spend alot of time inside these pots but the newts like to climb all over these pots then swim to the little hollow rock with the big rock leaning on it that little hollowed rock is their favorite place it was the 1st decoration i ever had for them

this is there tree the neon tetras hang around this alot and so do the ghost shrimp the newt really liked this tree but have seem to not use it as much since they got their new tank and new toys, but they still seem to play in it here n there

well this is the hut, the newts really like hanging around this since its near the top of the water and the tree that hangs out over the tank they like to go up their and chill above the water sometimes the african dwarf frogs like to play in the hut at times to since there is lots of good climbing and hiding in it

this is fire-starter aka fire. well he is my smaller newt he is about 2 and a half inches very active little guy likes to swim alot

this is glory-us aka glory. named from the movie oldschool when will farrel said blue was glory-us lol umm he is my bigger newt is fairly big for a firebelly last measrued him at 3 inches and 3/4 so just under 4 inches, he has been known to eat neon tetras and both newts like the ghost shrimp he tends to me more chilling then fire and does alot more lazying around but likes to look over the tank from the trees like its his castle

these are older pics of the newts in their tree when they were younger and smaller (notice there was three) rip dj, he passed 3 months after his arival, no idea what happened but he got stuck under a shell and when i got home from work he was still there so i doug him out to find out he had passed so, and this was b4 i began mixing for all those ppl who have been giving me troubles about how i mixd....

^^RIP D-j (and look at fire and glory cuddled in the corner how cute)

ok well those are some recent and some old pictures hope you all like my tank(s) and good luck to anyone who is setting up their own tank

 

[joan]

Is there no place they can get out of the water? The last one looks pretty skinny. You also say they're 'constantly swimming and active'. That's not normal caudate behavior. That's stressed caudate behavior. Normally, they should sit around and do a whole lot of nothing most of the time.

 

[patrick]

the last one is the one who died but yea way to read ...but yea they are active they swim climb and they rest a whole lot also ... there not doing laps trust me more like lurking for a snack but yea again join the club of ppl who don't agree with my tank.... but yea if ur newts are never active at all and never go for a swim or move then i think u should check out ur stuff cuz that ain't healthy, most newts do have some sort of activity.. anyway hope u like the tank

 

[joan]

I am wholeheartedly against your community tank. You're keeping nipping fish, tropical frogs, and temperate newts together in a tiny tank with absolutely no way for them to escape.

Caudates are NOT active creatures. They rarely do anything. If you've ever observed them in the wild, they do a whole lot of sitting around. I've been keeping animals for a long time, and I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.

(Message edited by jennewt on October 18, 2006)

 

[ali]

Patrick, you tank offers a SHORT life of stress for the newts. "A while" is not a long life life for a newt.

 

[coen]

Patrick, even though your tank looks absolutely beautiful, you should think about the above comments.

 

[patrick]

lol its all good thats ur opinion but there is no nipping fish ...unless u ment the chihilds or whatever but they were removed and the newts eat the neon tetras so i don't see them as a problem ...ummthe frogs n newt...well that could be an issue and i will have to keep a good eye on that but there doesn't seem to be any issue since the frogs temp shoud be between 68-80(thats what i read at http://allaboutfrogs.org/info/mypets/dwarfs.html) and the newts like temps in the 60's (read but my newts are use to the 70 mark )yea and unlike u are all really trying to prove non the newts are not acting any different then they did when it was just them alone ... but don't get me wrong i am reading and taking ur advice in some parts like about the chilchids or whatever and maby a bit more land would be good for them and ill look into that but yea thats all i got to say sorry u don;t like it but im more then happy with whats going on with my tank

(Message edited by atgpat on October 17, 2006)

(Message edited by atgpat on October 17, 2006)

 

[jennifer]

It appears that nothing will persuade you, Patrick, but I'll put in my two cents worth. I agree with those who are urging you to reconsider. I like the tank, but not the mix of animals nor the deep water for the newts. The temperature is a compromise that isn't right for either the newts nor the tropical fish in the long run.

Your old smaller tank looks like a better newt habitat, so I would suggest moving the newts back there, on their own.

(Message edited by jennewt on October 18, 2006)

 

[patrick]

ok well iv decided to spit some of my tank up i still don't see an issue with mixing ..well depending how its done .. but yea iv decided i might as well split it up now incase things get ugly when the fish n newts n frogs get bigger n older , so im gunna move my newts back to the smaller tank and leave the frogs in the big tank, the reason for it is that the little tank is ezier to keep the temp down for the newts... but i wasn't sure which fish should go were ... so ill explain what i have and if any one has a suggestion on were to put them please go ahead

ok so there is a 10 gallon with 2 newts, and a 46 gallon with 4 african dwarf frogs,

where should these go
1 albino rainbow shark
1 rainbow shark
2 golden algea eatrs
2 ghost shrimp .. they may be eaten by that time tho
3 green cory
1peppered cory
7 neon tetras
2 golden mystery snails
1 black mystery snail

well it will prolly take me a until next weekend or so b4 i can get the ten gallon cleaned out and cycled for the newts any suggestions on were the fish should go would be greatly apreciated... i figure most should stay in the 46 gallon and maby a few of the tetras in the newt tank with maby a algae eater but wasn't sure so please let me know what others think ...

and sorry for being so negative towards your suggestion b4 ,, i know people are just trying to do whats best for the creatures in the tank/

 

[coen]

Glad to see you take action Patrick!

I'm not a big fish expert, so I can't really help you with that. Just don't keep them with the newts or frogs

I'm sure someone here will give a good suggestion.

 

[garrison]

I'm not sure that any of the other creatures would like an unheated tank that one should provide for a newt.

The good news is I don't see any problem with the species you've mentioned together in the heated 46g, although another opinion may be helpful because I could be a little rusty on my fish

 

[audrey]

I think that your ghost shrimp might be okay with your newts, but the rest of those fish will do better in the 46 gal. I think white clowd neons are supposed to do alright in water with lower temperatures. Your newts might be happiest by themselves though. Good luck!

 

[patrick]

umm so if im correct your saying i can basically leave everything in the 46 just raise the temp a bit and move the newts and possible the ghost shrimp to the smaller tank n make the temp lower? i think thats basically what people seem to be saying

 

[ali]

Yeah, that's about what they're saying. Glad to see you reconsider, Patrick. If you wanted to put two or so neons in the newt tank, that would probably be okay but I wouldn't. I use mystery snails (if they're small), although Ram's Horn snails are okay, and I keep my newt tanks stocked with a few ghost shrimp each. Instead of neons, I have two white cloud minnows in my 30 gallon.

So, shrimp, small snails, and about two small neons (if that) would work. Also, I'm not sure if neons like warmer water, if they do then you should just keep them in the larger tank too.

Good job.

 

[ravenous]

Good Job man. Your newts will dig the new setup. Make sure topost pics when youre done!

 

[patrick]

it will most likely be very similar to the one b4 the pic of the tankthats more orange ...well yea but ill prolly post one or two when i am done

 

[alex]

HI PATRICK
i am a bit of a fish bof, so here goes.
i would get rid of at least one of the sharks, because they get very territorial, and in your tank there is only really enough room for one, and they can be quite aggressive anyway, so personally id leave that up to you.
the algae eaters might suck onto the newts, and this can cause stress, so i wouldnt do that.
it would be no problem putting the snails in with the newts though, providing the temp is high enough.
the neons and the corys should also be in the 46 gallon tank. all the fish you have listed are tropicals, and should be in a temp of about 24C or 84F.
if you want the charm of cichlids, without the aggression, then go for dwarf cichlids(apistogramma). if you give them some hiding spaces, and some caves, and plants, then they should be a joy to watch, and if you play your cards right they might breed.
good luck
alex