Question: Leucistic melanoid?

[Elliriyanna]

I had heard from someone on here that they had two Leucistic melanoids, Then when I contacted the breeder I got Natsu from he apparently says they do not exist, Also I have been having trouble finding any pictures of them or any information on how common they are let alone breeders that carry them. Any help would be great.

 

[Tephra]

I'll refer you to this topic

 

[Elliriyanna]

I remember reading that ... I was like 99% sure I was right

Now I just need to know how common they are and if there is more than one breeder if then in the US

 

[Alkylhalide]

this is a white melanoid.

 

[Alkylhalide]

Most just put them as a leucistic its easier then to say white melanoid. A leucistic has a gold ring in his eyes. Melanoids lack this hense white melanoid

 

[Elliriyanna]

Oh I know the difference, Thats what I am trying to teach this guy ... When I think white melanoid I think light eyes not the black.

 

[Tephra]

Not all "breeders" know their stuff

I got my little Doodle here from someone who just bred them on occasion.
She sold me Doodle for about 5 euros (that's perhaps 6/7 dollars, not sure)
An official breeder would have probably asked much more due to the special coloring

 

[Elliriyanna]

well his confusion was that all lucy's have black eyes and there was not enough difference to market them seperately.

 

[Tephra]

The difference is the fact that they carry the melanoid gene. If you breed melanoids to melanoids, it doesn't matter if it's black or white ones... you will get melanoids.

So to a breeder who wants to breed very specific colors, it's quite important.

 

[Elliriyanna]

I explained that to him as well. hopefully he does have one though since he only lives half an hr from me. I specifically like the melanoids though. And I can't stand GFP

 

[Tephra]

I don't see the point of GFP, since axies don't particularly love light

 

[Alkylhalide]

Oh I know the difference, Thats what I am trying to teach this guy ... When I think white melanoid I think light eyes not the black.

Well there is a huge difference there. A white melanoid has black eyes no gold ring but light eyes is a melanoid albino. this is my melanoid albino here is the difference between a axanthic albino(top) and melanoid albino(bottom)

Axanthic just means no yellow pigment so a black melanoid may also be axanthic however they normally have very weak genes and dont live long. As far as research goes ive seen nothing about a axanthic albino having the same weak genes, however you can see mine does have a genetic defect

 

[Alkylhalide]

Here is a break down just to clarify.

We have many main color morphs.

Wild type(combination of yellow green black gold white, sometimes is black) with a gold ring in their eyes

Melanoid - these are black/grey/blue tinted. But melanoid means pertaining to looking black or something of the sort.

Leucistic - these guys are white with pink gills, black eyes with a gold ring in them.

White melanoid - same as a leucistic but lacks the gold ring in their eyes.

Albino - there are 4types of albinos.

Golden albino - has white eyes and gold rings, yellow and golden in appearance.
Pure albino - there is not much different then golden from what i can understand but these have the iridophores that create the gold ring and gold on gills etc but i think they may lack the yellow pigment? Someone correct me if i am wrong
Melanoid albino - which i think is what you are talking about. White eyes(can look yellow) no gold ring in eyes but the head and part of the body will have a yellow pigment.
Axanthic albino - these guys lack all pigment so they are white with their usual pink gills, but white eyes. Can be slightly pink but they do not have any yellow pigment, which is exactly what axanthic means.

So there are some variations to these.
Some call then "silver dalmations" which are light colored melanoids with dark colored spots all over them, they are cool looking.

Normal axanthics i doubt you will find much info on they generally dont live very long due to weak genes. But these guys are ultimately a melanoid with no yellow pigment, which i dont think youd be able to notice this.. It may make just a really dark melanoid??? Like i said there is minimal info on these guys.

Black wild types are really cool! They are black like a melanoid but have a gold ring in their eyes and gold specks on their body.

Then you can have piebald or chimera axolotls which are really nifty!

Oh and before i forget there are coppers which i would love to have one someday but they are hard to find in north america, i have seen somebody actually pick one up at the petstore in the us one time i was like you are super lucky! To me coppers look like a rusty wild type. Gold and light brown with a gold ring in eyes.

 

[Elliriyanna]

Nope I was talking about white melanoid ... Which is what I want.

i know all most of my colors. I just have trouble explaining them to others.

There is actually a breeder offering het copper right now.

 

[Alkylhalide]

Oh I know the difference, Thats what I am trying to teach this guy ... When I think white melanoid I think light eyes not the black.

This is not a white melanoid

 

[Elliriyanna]

I know that ... But my mind automatically thinks it even though I know it is wrong.

 

[Margie]

I remember reading that ... I was like 99% sure I was right

Now I just need to know how common they are and if there is more than one breeder if then in the US

Regarding melanoid leuistics (leucistics with no shiny eye ring), I breed a lot of leucistics and there is always a certain percentage of melanoid leucistic among them. I don't distinguish between them when I sell unless someone specifically requests a melanoid leucistic. Then I have to use a magnifier to get a close-up look at the eyes to determine whether they have the shiny eye ring or not.

I'm including a picture of one of my melanoid leucistics and a picture of one of my non-melanoid leucistics.