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Bear with me here, I know you all probably get tired of hearing newbie questions. Ask me anything about pet rats and I can tell you but I'm extremely new to the world of newts and only by accident.

After I rescued a wild salamander from the classroom (a kid brought it in and wanted my teacher to keep it as a pet) and took it back to it's original place of living, someone brought my teacher a chinese fire belly newt. I've determined she's female and after weeks and weeks of reading, I'm still confused about a few things. Here goes.

First off, the little turd won't eat. She's been refusing food for about 8-9 days now. My teacher was feeding her pinhead crickets and mealworms. She ate a few small pieces of mealworm but no crickets. I bought some freeze dried brine shrimp and blood worms and some newt pellets. However, the newt pellets contain wheat flour and corn gluten meal, both of which I thought were not supposed to be fed because they will rot in the stomach? Should I feed newt pellets as a staple and what brand? If not, what SHOULD make up the majority of the diet? I know daphnia, earthworms, brine shrimp, black worms, gut loaded pinhead crickets can be fed once a week, bloodworms I read less often than that. I also don't know where to get waxworms, as I read here they can fatten up a skinny newt, and she is VERY skinny. It's been a week since my teacher NOTICED she hasn't eaten.. she could've been refusing food longer than that.

My second issue is she is in a VERY crowded and VERY noisy classroom. Can that stress her out so bad that she doesn't eat? I also read here they seem less stressed with a cagemate and she is alone. Right now, my teacher cannot even keep her water level more than 1/2" above the gravel. I've been bringing in well water and filling it about 2", with a small gravel slope towards a dry area. She has no plants either, real ones atleast(2 scrawny fake ones) and no hiding places(cowers under the internal filter which is not on?). My teacher is worried about her not eating and getting skinny so can anyone provide me with some backup info that this newt is not right for the classroom and would do better in a quieter and better furnished tank (both of which my teacher cannot provide)? I am hoping she will just give the newt to me. If she does, I have already planned for a setup. I've been searching setups for about 2 weeks now and got some awesome ideas. One thing I have NOT found the answer to is the tank is best when a fairly good amount of plants are in it. What plants though, how many for a 10 gal and where do I get them? Petsmart is the only place around and they seem like they're dying. Their newts look healthy and they eat good so I was going to get a tank mate for the female. Also, for the plants should I use a regular low watt bulb or will daylight that comes in the room be enough?

I think that's all the annoying questions I have now!
 
Daphnia, earthworms, brine shrimp, black worms, gut loaded pinhead crickets, and bloodworms all are great foods. I recommend earthworms as a staple. Waxworms can be found at any baitshop.

A tankmate would probably not help any with the stress and may very well add to it (competition for space/food).

Try to change the setup to mostly water (cynops tend to be aquatic, but definately leave at least some land area), some ideas can be found at: http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/setups2.shtml and definately get the poor thing something to hide under.

Plants are really a matter of preference. I use Pothos ivy in all my tanks, it works well. but you dont NEED plants. Petsmart sucks (apologies to anyone who actually LIKES petsmart). Go to a local garden shop. most have aquatic plants. Petsmart newts are rarely healthy, and usually have 'pet shop syndrome'.

Read a caresheet at http://www.caudata.org/cc/species/Cynops/C_orientalis.shtml

And your questions are never annoying. People who try to take care of their animals and want to make their lives better are always welcome here.
 
A suggestion I would make is to get rid of the gravel slope(which will be a pain and collect waste) and do more waterchanges with cool water. Put the tank in an out of the way place.

Keep watch for any sores or anything that may need treatment as too often happens to petstore kept newts.

(Message edited by fishkeeper on November 06, 2004)
 
Hey, I love rats! I have four. You should e-mail me or something.
 
A little update- I got the newt from my teacher and went out tonight and bought her a 10 gallon, polished river rocks, 2 plants at Petsmart that start with an A.. sounds like "arachnids" I believe. Their Java ferns were all sick and dying so I want to go back this weekend when their new shipment arrives and buy a few of those to add. I also have a small cave for her to hide in but she's been staying out in the open. There's a small spot with no rocks for feeding so I can siphon up the uneaten portions. She seemed interested in a newt pellet today but turned her nose up at it and walked away(so picky!). Tomorrow I'm going earthworm hunting on the acreage to see if she might eat some chopped. I also found waxworms at Petsmart so I can buy a small tub to fatten her up (if she even eats). I'm hoping since she's in a much less stressful enviroment she'll gain an appetite back. I've already read I think every caresheet on c. orientalis and I don't know what else I need to read. I think my brain is flooded now. If I can figure how to post pics I will. She's a pretty little thing and very spunky! It was so cute today when I first brought her home she got right up to the side of the (transport) cup and blew a bubble at me.
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Mark- If you want an awesome rat forum, go to www.goosemoose.com/rfc (I'm just plain Heather on there). I have 11 rats, all rescues but 2 which I got from breeders in Alabama and Florida (far away from MO I should say!) and one of my boys is from a lab. Ok, way off topic (we'll dicuss this later).
 
Anacharis: Nice plant if it doesn't die on you, when it comes in from Petsmart it is often quite shabby. Someone I new kept it in a pond and gave me quarter buckets of the stuff to play with.

Java fern is a great plant...low light, and you have to try hard to kill it.

The newt probably is stressed out, not picky. I would use frozen bloodworms or perhaps live blackworms. If she is in the water it is easier to fed them there. They will eventually get to the point where you can give them pellets occasionally...but not as the main part of the diet.
 
Woohoo! I got one earthworm because I didn't know if she would even eat and chopped it in half (put the other half in a planter outside so it can grow into a new worm) in about 1 cm long pieces and lured her to the feeding spot and she gobbled them down. Atleast I know she's still got an appetite. Should I feed her everyday until she starts putting on a bit of weight or is every other day fine? I don't want to overfeed or underfeed. She found her hidey cave today an has been in there most of the day except when she was eating. I have a flat weather thermometer in the water too (just about 1/2" past the bulb) and it's staying 70-71F. If if stays at that temp will it hurt? I think I read the temp should be no higher than 72F but it's right on the border now. I have some ice cubes in the freezer now but won't that be a shock with the temperature fluctuating so much from 70s to 60s? When I start with the ice cubes should I continue so the temp doesn't keep jumping around? Also, I don't have the internal filter yet, friend just ordered it last night so hopefully within the next week to week and a half I will have it. Until then, how often should I be doing small water changes (25%) and should I do a water change the day I put the filter in too?

Edit- Yes, Anacharis is the one. I wanted the java ferns but they were all gross and dying so I'll get them this weekend and just wait for the other 2 to die off (it's easy for me to kill plants for some reason ?). Also, can I put bamboo stalks in there? I was thinking about laying one at an angle from the water to the top of the hidey cave so she can climb it instead of going to the other side and up the rocks.

(Message edited by Malign_star on November 12, 2004)
 
My daughter came home from school with I think is a salamander?? It is black and about one inch long. She said that they have a snake in school and they feed it crickets and salamanders. The snake wouldn't eat the salamanders and so she was allowed to take it home. HOW LUCKY!!! Well, I am not sure what to do for this reptile. HELP!!!! Also can you tell me how big it will get??Thanks.
 
Read the wealth on info on the site. It's helped me a lot. From what I've read the chinese fire bellies are the most common sold in pet stores. If it has an orangey belly then that's probably what you have. Read the forum and caresheets people have already posted. You can make your own post too to ask more questions.
 
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