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So I'm looking for larval tiger salamander to buy and it has been brought to my attention that they are illegal in New Jersey along with Axotol. It seems that many species of newts and Salamanders are illegal in NJ; would any one happen to know of a species that are similar to tiger salamanders that are easily bought in larval form? And also any that are illegal in NJ.
 
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/pdf/permregs.pdf Maybe this shall help. But let me reiterate what Kaysie said on the other thread: New Jersey Fish and Wildlife MEANS BUSINESS. Do NOT get busted there. A very, VERY costly mistake for you, and almost certain death for what they confiscate. People fail to realize that once animals enter captivity that are regulated, they are usually euthanised as opposed to released. This is to prevent alien pathogens from entering the native eco-system. Hope you find something to your liking. And be advised about transporting legal stuff over state lines. They don't like that in Jersey either as that can violate The Lacey Act. :(
 
This is definatly ruining my day 8( Thank you for the info though
 
Sorry, Roney. I know these guys... they don't play games. Just want to see you on their good side. They are amazingly good at what they do, and have a zero tolerance for lawbreakers. That's why New Jersey has some of the most pristine environment in the Pine Barrens. An awesome place to visit... just don't touch anything... LOL! ;)
 
That was funny lol hope fully all works out for the best.
 
Don't even help a box turtle across a road in NJ. that will get you a fine.
 
I called DNR they said as long as you can prove the tiger salamander is not from NJ you can get a permit to have them.
 
Well that's a start. Make sure you get receipts from whoever you would get them from. I ALWAYS do that because they should have a paper trail leading back to the Importer/Exporter that they got them from. I've found that F&W aren't too concerned about sub-species either. A Tiger is a Tiger wherever it comes from and even though you can have one of the West Coast types, that isn't going to keep them from confiscating it and having one of their biologists check to make sure. And you don't want that! Ask the person who sold it to you to make sure he puts the type of animal right on the receipt. A latin name is invaluable as well! It just is another way to cover your butt. ALWAYS err on the side of caution. If you have Tigers now I would suggest you get some paperwork ASAP. It's not as if the 'Salamander Police' will be kicking down your door with .45s a-blazin' ('put your hands up and step away from that 'tigrinum'...LOL), but you want to be mindful of procedure from now on. Happy Herping!
 
I would hope they wouldn't come to my house at all LOL; so the lady said as long as its not a Ambystoma tigrinum(eastern Tiger Sal) a permit can be purchased, so as long as its one of the different sub species your fine. I also asked her about Axolotl and she said as long as its not Eastern Tiger Sal I can have it. This was interesting because I have seen many posts about not shipping Axolotl to NJ because they are illegal, i also am convinced that the lady did not no what she was talking about but, going off the information she has given I will be in the Market for Axolotl. Quick Question can Axolotl be housed with Larval tiger salamanders?
 
Sometimes DNR secretaries don't know all the legality. I would not be going out and searching for an axolotl.

And no, you cannot house them with larval tiger salamanders; the axolotls usually end up being eaten.
 
Talk to and actual Fish and Wildlife officer, Roney. There are other things to consider besides what is just legal to own in NJ. Remember you still have to get it over state lines, legally. Consult The Lacey Act carefully, because it may shed some light on not only whether you can keep a herp in The Garden State, but also if it is legal from where it is coming in from. And you really don't want to mix species in any circumstance!
 
Today I had actually spoken to the endangered species permit officer and that's where my information came from I will do more research though this is very fustrating expecial because I specifically asked about Axolotol. I really appreciate the help and information.
 
Apply for the permit before you have the animal and see what happens. My guess is the permit will be cost prohibitive or not obtainable by a private person.
 
wow. N.J. has some wierd laws. Which is one more reason I wouldn't want to live there.
 
I don't think this law is weird at all.




But I still wouldn't want to live in NJ.
 
When I spoke to them about the law they said as long as u can prove with papers that the species is not A. tigrinum you can get a permit. And it's easy to tell the difference because of the pattern of their spots but they require more than that to allow the permit.
 
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