Question: Goldfish and Axolotls?

Elliriyanna

Elliriyanna

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I was recently given two goldfish ... Which really messes with my plans for natsu to get the 40 long. I am curious if Once the goldfish are too big for Natsu's mouth would it be ok for them to live together in the 40 long running 110 gallons buffered filtration, They need the same temperatures and substrates. These are fantail goldfish which are known for being very slow so if they are bugging her she can just swim away.

I have seen these fish swim ... Natsu is MUCH faster, But I do keep her well fed and fantails have a different body shape ... they are already almost an inch around and are only 2 inches long.
 
Unfortunately the 40 would be too small for just the goldfish by themselves, let alone two and the lotl on top of it.
 
Fantails require 20 gallons for the first goldfish, 10 for the other goldfish then 10 for the axolotl ... The tank size is not what I am worried about :)
 
You never said it was a bad idea ... You said the space was inadequate, Which I just pointed out is untrue.
 
Goodness I'm not here for arguements, I did not say in as many words in the first post, but implied it was a bad idea to house them together. Now, weather my tank size warning is true or not is irrelevant, it was the information i was given on goldfish from someone on another forum, so im sorry there. the fact is that goldfish and axolotls should not be together for several reasons... mainly that goldfish are nasty, dirty, eating machines, and they will foul up your water in a heartbeat if you don't have the proper filtration on there, not to mention the amount you would need for a goldfish would stress your lotl out way too much. Goldfish and axolotls should not be housed together, if the fish don't make the lotl sick from their waste, they will certainly stress him/her out by trying to see if the lotl is food.
 
Its a bad idea, axolotls shouldnt be kept with any species other than food. Check out species mixing disasters, there should be some gold fish/ axolotl disasters in there.
 
The goldfish one on there is a Axolotl eating a young comet ... very different ...

Anyway ... I don't see how running my aquaclear 50 full blast on my 20 long is that different than 110 gallons on a 40 long ... I am not good at diffusing the flow. Plus with fantails if the current is too strong for the lotl its far too strong for the fantail ... they Are awful swimmers ...


My other idea is rather simple ... just divide the tank in half ... the goldfish would have the water volume they need and the divider would buffer the flow
 
Suprised that there isnt a gill munching example. Gold fish are reported to attack axolotls gills , they may not but why take the risk ?
 
Did you read the last paragraph? A divided tank would allow both proper housing and I could run a powerful HOB and have it buffered by the divider. No Gill munching or dirty water problems :)
 
Its up to you what you do with your pets, I personally wouldn't want gold fish to share the same water as my axolotls , you could potentially be exposing your axolotls to fish parasites/diseases.
 
Considering this is 6 months away ... if they have illnesses it should have shown by then :)
 
Put them together then if you want to, let us know how they get on.
 
They wont be interacting so them " getting on" doesn't matter.
 
Elliriyanna said:
They wont be interacting so them " getting on" doesn't matter.
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I didnt write "getting on " I wrote "get on" and was not referring to how they "get on" socially but how they "get on" in a divided tank.
 
You ask for the opinions of others, and then become belligerent when it is an answer you do not want to hear. This.will be my last reply on the subject.

Gold fish and axolotls should not share the same tank, divided or not. Gold fish are nasty and carry all sorts or parasites that may not harm them, but will likely harm your lotl. It is simply a bad idea to keep them together in that amount of water...

Just my two cents and sound advice. I would give the 40 top the fish and keep the lotl where she is. Then everyone will be happy.
 
I'm still new to fishkeeping, but I don't see why with a divider and a proper filter they wouldn't all be ok. They wouldn't interact, and if the fish were healthy then there shouldn't be too much of a risk. Again, I'm no expert, but if it's a risk you're willing to take then I'm interested to see the turnout.

Done correctly, this could turn out ok. It probably won't be ideal for both of them, but I've seen worse situations before. Still not an expert though.

On a note as a neutral party here, everyone please try to tone down the attitudes. I'm not saying that to sound rude, but try to remember that if you are truly concerned for someone else's pet, come up with links and such to support evidence, rather than getting an attitude because they don't think you're right straight off the bat. It's easy to get upset over something and just lash out, it's harder to come up with a calm response as to why you disagree. Again, not trying to step on any toes here, just stating that you guys got pretty upset pretty quickly. Whether you were right or wrong, please be conscious of other people's feelings.

Sorry for the rant, I've just seen such situations get very nasty because of hurt feelings. Anywho, I'll jump out of here now, happy holidays and such.
 
SkollSunChaser said:
I'm still new to fishkeeping, but I don't see why with a divider and a proper filter they wouldn't all be ok. They wouldn't interact, and if the fish were healthy then there shouldn't be too much of a risk. Again, I'm no expert, but if it's a risk you're willing to take then I'm interested to see the turnout.
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Yes it would be interesting to see the result. I am like you Skollsunchaser, I am no expert and don't have much experience keeping fish, but they could jump over the glass divider couldn't they? I guess it depends on how high up the divider the water was.

[/QUOTE]= On a note as a neutral party here, everyone please try to tone down the attitudes. I'm not saying that to sound rude, but try to remember that if you are truly concerned for someone else's pet, come up with links and such to support evidence, rather than getting an attitude because they don't think you're right straight off the bat. It's easy to get upset over something and just lash out, it's harder to come up with a calm response as to why you disagree. Again, not trying to step on any toes here, just stating that you guys got pretty upset pretty quickly. Whether you were right or wrong, please be conscious of other people's feelings. [/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]= "You ask for the opinions of others, and then become belligerent when it is an answer you do not want to hear." [/QUOTE]

I do agree with this though. Just my opinion on the subject.
 
Goldfish are pretty gross, axolotls are pretty gross. They are both messy pets. Keeping them in a tank like that would probably send your water parameters through the roof. You'll end up doing water changes A LOT. And I'm not a big fan of keeping axies with other critters. I've seen horrible things. Trust me.
 
Gizmothefreaky said:
You ask for the opinions of others, and then become belligerent when it is an answer you do not want to hear. This.will be my last reply on the subject.

Gold fish and axolotls should not share the same tank, divided or not. Gold fish are nasty and carry all sorts or parasites that may not harm them, but will likely harm your lotl. It is simply a bad idea to keep them together in that amount of water...

Just my two cents and sound advice. I would give the 40 top the fish and keep the lotl where she is. Then everyone will be happy.
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I was not trying to be belligerent and I am sorry if it came off that way ... i was providing a counter argument and trying to see every point of view as well as what facts you have.

Now as for Goldfish carrying parasites ... Any animal can, However this is a MUCH bigger risk with unquarantined fish and especially feeder fish.


"Goldfish are pretty gross, axolotls are pretty gross. They are both messy pets. Keeping them in a tank like that would probably send your water parameters through the roof. You'll end up doing water changes A LOT. And I'm not a big fan of keeping axies with other critters. I've seen horrible things. Trust me."

Well my thoughts were ... I could keep 3 lotls ... or 3 goldfish ... So 1 lotl and 2 goldfish should be fine ... No different than stocking same species except it would require a divider :)



Oh Yes ... As for Jumping a divider ... I was going to custom fit it so they can't :) Natsu is not a jumper and the goldfish physically can't so I would rather be sure :)


I am just stating my points of view ... There is no mean feelings or attacking .. Its just hard to convey ton via text.
 
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