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I'm new to the forum and as you can probably tell this is my first post, although i have done a fair share of reading through the forum.
I'm hoping to get an axie soon and I'm currently setting up a tank, I have a 3foot tank with a filter (from my old tropical fish tank so it's a little dirty) and have had it running for a day now. The tank is 3/4 full of water which i've treated with something to remove chlorine/heavy metals, Do i need to do anything else to it?
I've covered the bottom with about an inch of aquarium sand and placed in a large sterilised stone and plant pot for some cover.
I'm hoping to go tomorrow and get some plants? (any advice, natural/ plastic and particular plants to look out for) and maybe some more decoration/hiding places?.
Any advice would be welcome to help me make it as suitable as possible.
Thanks in advance :happy:
 
Re: First time advise

I'm assuming you know about the nitrogen cycle, if you don't I'd go do some research on that. Other than that I recommend water wisteria as a natural plant to use. I've never had to do anything with it but trim it back and it does wonder's for my water quality
 
Re: First time advise

I'm assuming you know about the nitrogen cycle, if you don't I'd go do some research on that. Other than that I recommend water wisteria as a natural plant to use. I've never had to do anything with it but trim it back and it does wonder's for my water quality
Thanks for the advice, i wasn't aware of the nitrogen cycle tbh.
I've looked into it a little bit, I've found a lot of conflicting/varied information:confused: Some claim fish less cycling to be best others using fish.
Is there any advice or explanation you could give please?
 
For cycling you can do fish or fish less. If you don't have anywhere to put the fish after you are done cycling then go fishless :) All you will need to start is SOMETHING to use as a source of ammonia which is pretty much any organic matter but fish flake or an axie pellet are usually the easiest sources. You just add a tiny bit every couple of days. If you see it going all fluff and moldy fish it out and add some fresh stuff but if you crumble/grind it up nice and fine that shouldn't be a problem.

The cycle is basically
Ammonia source produces ammonia as it breaks down or as the fish wee if you are going with fish.
As the ammonia rises the colony of bacteria that feed on the ammonia start to grow and "eat" it. As they do this they produce Nitrite.
As the Nitrite rises the next colony of bacteria start to grow. These ones feed on the Nitrite rendering it almost harmless as they convert it to the ALMOST harmless Nitrate.
NOW the only way to get rid of nitrate is with a water change although any live plants you have will use a little of it.

So the cycle goes
Ammonia rises and peaks > Nitrite starts to rise and peak as ammonia drops down > Nitrate is produced and Nirtite and Ammonia drop to zero.
Once your ammonia and nitrite as stable for a few days you are cycled. The whole process can takes anywhere from 2 to 6ish weeks to complete. It's slower at the lower temps of the average axie tank so if you want to speed it up a little you can put a heater in the tank and set if for about 25-28 degrees. In optimum conditions these very slow growing bacteria take 15 hours to double and it's much slower at the optimum axie temp of 19.
Do NOT put in the heater if you plan to put your axie in there while it's cycling and make sure you drop the temperature right back down once you're done and are ready for your new pet.
You can cycle with your axie as your ammonia source but I would REALLY recommend against that for any first timer.

You will need for this if you don't have them already a liquid test kit for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate and one for pH is also a good idea.
Keep your reading to the following or below with water changes during the cycle and you'll be fine. Ammonia 0.3, Nitrite 0.25 and Nitrate 20ppm do not let them get higher for ver long if you can avoid it. What;s toxic for fish is also toxic for bacteria ;)

As far as plants
Javamoss is a popular choice.
Most of your green sword plants (echinodoris) will do well on low light, ambullia is EXCELLENT in an axie tank. I have liliopsis growing nicely in mine but I get some natural sunlight in there every day as well.
Ummm... Vallis (not the cork screw/twisty one) will also be very happy but you can pretty well choose from any of the plants out there that like a temperature of 19, slightly acid (6) to slightly alkaline (8) water and have low light requirements then take you new knowledge of to your local aquarium store or favorite webstore and see what you can find.
There is a very good plant catalogue at Tropica you can use the alphabetical list (time consuming) or the Easy to grow list. Just click on the plants picture and it will show you what it likes to grow. Generally speaking plants with red on their leaves require more light than is available in an axie tank.
Have a look around the site. They have some great layout ideas and what not on there as well.
My only concern with live plants and 1 inch of sand would be keeping them rooted. You would need to find a way to keep them in the sand with large pebbles/stones around the base of them or put in more sand so the roots have something to go into. Some of the members here have their plants growing in glass jars and puts that they place int he tank which is also an option if you like the look of it.

Most of all HAVE FUN!!!!
Mere.
 
Thanks Mere thats just what i was hoping for :happy:
I've been out and bought some plants and rooted them in the deeper parts of the sand.
I've tested the PH and it's 7.5 which is ideal according to the packet, I've also bought a aquarium start up kit which includes an ammonia product and nitrite testing kit... It advices adding the ammonia every 2 days 9 times, It also advices that introducing a small number of fish on Sunday before the 4th dose of ammonia, do you think it would be ok to add an axolotl around this time? the axolotls I can currently get are around 4-5inches long.
My tank is currently unheated and despite the snow outside the tank is still at 15 degrees C, will this be ok?
Thanks again
 
Happy to help and congratulations on your new purchases
The temperature will be fine. It will have your axie a little more sluggish than it would at 19 but it won't do any harm.

Your tank WILL still cycle @ 15 but it will take longer than it would at a higher temperature.
The schedule looks good from what you've said. The ammonia product will be a much cleaner source than say fish or flake would be so that's a bonus :happy:
I wouldn't add your axie while you are adding the ammonia product for 2 reasons. 1 is your axie will produce more ammonia than a few fish would and you probably don't want to be adding the extra from the product on top of that. and 2. is without knowing what else is in that product or its safety with Axies I would avoid putting it in with the axie.

If it were me I would complete the 18 day treatment with the ammonia while monitoring the nitrite and when the nitrite is being produced (assuming it isn't already by day 19) I would be happy to add the axie BUT you will need to keep on top of your water parameters. Testing Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate daily and changing some water, about 20% when/if they get to the numbers I posted above.
 
Yea I would definatly wait to add your axolotl until cycling is done. Ammonia is not good for your axolotl, so you definatly do not want to be adding ammonia to the tank if you have anything living in it. I would wait until you have 0 ammonia and nitrite, and then you shouldn't have a problem with adding fish.

If you have the axolotl however and have no where to place it you can always do water changes to lower ammonia/nitrite until it has fully cycled, but waiting until a tank has cycled is always the best way in my opinion. The fluctuation in water parameters are not good for aquatic animals.
 
Thanks for the advice both of you :smile:
I haven't got the axie yet I'll wait until the cycle is complete, best not to cause any harm just because of my impatience.
The tank is 15 now but the weather is unusually cold at the moment, so hopefully the average temp will be a little higher anyway.
I'll keep this up to date with how the tanks doing, just noticed it seems to have inherited a few tiny snails from the plants :eek:
 
If you're worried about the snails you can pick them out as you see them. You can draw them out of hiding by adding a piece pumpkin or zucchini and pick them out off that.
Generally speaking the little snails aren't a problem and I don't bother with them but if you want to pick them out feel free :happy:

Good idea to wait to get your new little friend I'm sure he will thank you for waiting that little bit longer :happy:

OK keep us posted and don't panic if your water goes cloudy it's entirely normal when you're cycling just leave it and only change the water if one or more of your readings gets too high and it will clear up very quickly. :D

If nothing else the extra time will give your plants more of a chance to really get settled and rooted in before your axie moves in. Making the less likely to be dislodged if they get bumped, dug up or swum into ;)
 
I'll leave the snails then they're only tiny and i've only seen 2 :D
The water went cloudy on Thursday but had cleared up by Friday morning :happy:
This is a bit premature but how do I transfer the Axie into my tank when I get it? I'm getting it from a pet store so I presume they will give me some kind of container to transport it, do I then just put it straight into the tank when I get home(the store is about 20mins away)?
 
You will probably need to carry your new axolotl in a fish bag. When you get home , float the bag in their new home to get the water temperature even. When you transfer your axolotl into its new home, try not to pour any of the water from the bag in. Finally, how about some pictures of your axolotl's future home?
 
Ok thanks :happy:
I would love to add some pics. i'll have to figure out how to first though :eek:
Another thought that's crossed my mind, How do you perform water changes when needed? :confused: Is it best to leave the Axie in the tank or do you have to take it out? :confused:
 
There are many methods for changing water and it all comes down to preference and the size of your tank.
You can leave your axie in the tank. He or she will be just fine in there while you do your thing.
I have a little 10 gallon that I use a jug to take out and replace the water it's just faster than getting the siphon for that much water. I do still siphon it each month to clean out the sand though.

For a larger tank (I can't imagine using the jug for my 56gal) I'd get yourself a good aquarium gravel siphon and a length of hose. There are instructions for how to use it on the back of the pack or I'm sure the guys at the store could explain it to you. :D
The advantage of these aside from being an effective way to remove the water is they are also great for getting all the bits off the bottom and out of the sand without removing much or any of the sand.

You can do that every week or 2 depending on what your test results are like and in between you can use a turkey baster to spot clean axie poo or excess food as you need to.
 
Thanks Mere :happy:

Latest results are looking good (i think) :happy:
Ammoia levels 0
and Nitrite levels 0.25
 
Thanks for all the help people, the tank is all sorted and i have a Leucistic Axie in there, who seems very happy with its new surrounding :happy:

I'll add some pics later (think i've figured it out)

If i was to get another in the future could i house 2 in the same tank and if so how would i go about introducing them to each other? :confused: and Are the same gender ok together? (as i have no idea what gender the one i have is :D)
 
How big is your tank? Introduce them to each other by putting one inside a clear container for a little while inside the tank. Make sure you have plenty of hides for both of them. And yes, you will have no issues with the same gender.
 
It's a bit of an odd size....It's 35inches Long, 12inches wide and and 16 inches High (although at the moment it's only 3/4 Full)
 
Axie
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Tank View
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Axie take 2...
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That would be fine for two axolotls provided you have enough hides.

Is there any reason you don't have it full to the top? I usually fill mine to about 2 inches below the top. Yours is fine for now for your juvenile, but by having more water, you have a larger buffer against poor water quality. That is, more water takes longer to go bad.

PS: I LOVE the name of your little dude!
 
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That would be fine for two axolotls.

Is there any reason you don't have it full to the top? I usually fill mine to about 2 inches below the top.

PS: I LOVE the name of your little dude!
:cool: ok thanks...I was thinking of adding a few more anyway.

Tbh the guy i got it from only had his tank 3/4 full so i just presumed that was the best way....But if i get another i suppose they would prefer have extra room :happy:

Thanks :D
 
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