Fire-belly Newt Tank

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Hi! New to the forum. This is a 20 gallon long tank that has a screen lid and will shortly have an in-tank filter. And a fire-belly newt. :happy: I was thinking of later adding some live floating plants. I also have a long castle, but I thought it might be too rough for the newt's skin.
 

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Hey Rubes, welcome!
If you haven´t bought the newt yet, i´d strongly advice you to wait, there are many things you have to change and learn first.
You can access the articles through the links in my signature. They contain all the information you need from how to cycle a tank to water conditions, feeding, decorations and of course the species caresheet. Get cracking, there´s a lot xD There are also volumes and volumes written about this species around the forums.

The basics would be that it´s a species that behaves 100% aquatic in captivity as long as the conditions are right. This means that you can make use of the whole volume of the tank. The larger the volume of water, the more stable its parametres will be (temperature, pH, ammonia, etc...) and the easier it will be to maintain. For land you can use a piece of floating cork bark.
I strongly recommend that you use live plants and huge amounts of them too. Really....LOTS. You can read around the forums about the benefits of heavily planted tanks.
For H.orientalis i would recommend not using a filter. They prefer completely still water with loads of vegetation, plus filters produce heat and that doesn´t help.

One final piece of advice. In case you haven´t acquired the newt yet, i´d advice you to reconsider. All the animals of this species available from shops are wild-caught from China. The process is very traumatic and many die before even reaching the shops. The rest have been exposed to all sorts of patogens and inadequate conditions. Typically, this doesn´t get any better while they are the shop. Those that survive long enough to be bought are very stressed with supressed inmune systems, if not already ill. Plenty of problems may result from this, the most common of which are flesh-eating infections which rarely end well.
If you want to get into the hobby, there are better options. I understand from what other users have commented that there is not much offer in Canada, but there have to be some breeders around, or you might be able to get them shipped from the states (don´t know how that works, just saying). There are many species which are regularly bred in captivity and which make far better choices.
If finding captive-bred animals from an apropriate species is not possible to you and the pet-shop H.orientalis are your only choice, take it slowly. Make absolutely sure everything is ready way before hand. The tank cycled, food cultures going, if necessary, etc. The best chance the poor newts have to recover is if the conditions you prepare for them are optimal (which is not currently the case). Also, make sure to choose animals that have a good weight, no sores or any marks on the skin and are acting lively.
Once again, i would like to stress that you try to find breeders because it´s the best option for you as a costumer and obviously for the animals.
 
Wow! Okay. These newts were shipped in from Singapore about a week ago. I'm getting them from Big Al's. Would it be okay to keep live and artificial plants in the tank? I'm kind of confused. I've done some research from other sites and they recommend filtration? I've had this newt before, unfortunately it escaped when my mom left the tank lid open. I know what their temps. and diet should be.
 
If I ended up including that castle, do you think it would be too rough?
 
Thanks for the input, but I'm done with this forum.
 
Thanks for the input, but I'm done with this forum.

Roderigo gave you some good advice, you would be well advised to listen to it rather than stropping off in a huff. This site is free and the posts are all by fellow keepers, you will probably get answers to your questions but they may take more than an hour, so a certain amount of patience may be required. I wouldn't worry too much about the texture of your ornament but I would be concerned about the newts getting trapped inside the openings, I recently lost three newly morphed T.verrucosus to a hollow ornament, they drowned. Plastic plants are ok but living plants have a number of benefits, the first is that they keep the water cleaner by removing nitrates and reducing water changes,they also provide an environment which encourages bug life which the newts will feed off. Below are pics of my fire belly tank, it's a very simple set up, sand substrate, sunken log, free floating plants and a feeding dish which I drop food onto, it prevents some of the live food from digging into the substrate. Firebellys are generally aquatic, some do enjoy hauling them selves out now and then so provide a floating log, one of the newts in the pic is fully terrestrial he just lives on the log, I have removed it from time to time to encourage him to go aquatic but he just sits on the plants trying to get out of the water so I have given up and feed him terrestrially. If you are planning on getting wild caught newts there are risks of obtaining sick or highly stressed animals, you need to ensure that you provide them a good environment which means doing a load of research and cycling your tank.
 

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I searched long and hard for a breeder (of any newts) but couldn't find one. I filled the tank up a few inches from the top and will be getting a turtle dock and some live plants. I also have a light for the plants. The temperature is at 70 degrees without the light on. So a filter really isn't needed?
 
Hi,

You need to get that temp down, especially as if you have the light on that will produce heat and unless your tank is really well planted you will need some form of filter.

Try using cork bark insteas of a turtle dock as it is a lot cheaper and does exactly the same job.

Dave
 
Alright. In prepping the tank for the newt, is there anything I can add to the water? Like a store-bought water-conditioner? And what is a way you would recommend to cool down the water?
 
I dont use a light in my fire belly newt tank, I have a terrestrial guy who would get cooked as I keep the water level as high as possible, I situated the tank so it gets as much natural daylight as possible, the plants do well but I chose plants which are ok in low light levels. Maintaining an appropriate tank temp can often be a problem, unless you use a chiller the tank will warm to room temp no matter where you put it, there are always cooler parts of your house, choose to site your tank there and place it close to the floor , a low tank can be 1c or so cooler than a tank a foot higher than it as heat rises. To prep the tank you need to check threads on tank cycling.
 
Hi,

You need to get that temp down, especially as if you have the light on that will produce heat and unless your tank is really well planted you will need some form of filter.

Try using cork bark insteas of a turtle dock as it is a lot cheaper and does exactly the same job.

Dave

Would cork mat work?
 
I suppose if you mean something like a cork coaster, might not look good though. Cork bark is cheap enough and looks natural in a tank.
 
If the cork matting produced for household use rather than for animal use it may have been treated with chemicals during the production process. Best to stick to cork sold for animal use.
 
I bought a piece of grapevine driftwood, and added a little bit of de-chlorination liquid. The driftwood was heat-treated. Will it rot? I apologize for my earlier response, by the way.
 
I bought a piece of grapevine driftwood, and added a little bit of de-chlorination liquid. The driftwood was heat-treated. Will it rot? I apologize for my earlier response, by the way.

No probs, sorry I have no experience of drift wood.
 
I've read some reviews of people keeping it in their aquarium for over a year with no problems, so I think it'll at least last a while. It was actually advertised as "grape wood".
 
Also, would hornwort, sword plants, anubius or java fern do well in a low light aquarium with no substrate?
 
I only have experience with hornwort and it is doing well in my aquarium with 8-12 hours light a day.
 
Java fern grows well in low light. Tie it to something or let it float. It is grown commercially with the leaves our of the water too. Only thing it does not like is having its roots buried - so its perfect for a tank without substrate.

Java moss is great cover and also grows well in low light and temperatures. Does not have roots just hangs around in the water or grows on wood or stones (and on my Juwel filter cover!)

My juvenile axies are in bare tanks with both the above and with Indian fern, a surface growing plant that gives good cover and can grow quite large.

All are worth a try.

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