FBN skin shed?

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So just at first, 2 of my fire bellies were bunched up on each other hanging out on their rock, the biggest one and the smallest one. And of out nowhere, the smaller one jumped back, so I took a closer look, and it looked like the big guy was taking nips at the smaller one. So I took the small one of out to check him out to see if he was hurt, I know I shouldn't be handling them, but I was concerned, he was ok, so I let him back onto the rock a bit away from the bigger one. But upon further inspection, the bigger guy was actually biting at this black stuff that was on the the lower part of his body, which turned out to be his skin, as if he was shedding it. He went into the water and continued to pull it clean off and ate a bit of it, i went ahead and took out the rest. He's back on the rock chillin again.

Is this normal?

Also, its been 3 or so days since I've gotten these guys, and they're still always on land, is that normal as well?
 
Your newt sounds like he was shedding normally. Sometimes my newts will crowd on one another, and it almost appears that it helps with the friction to give the skin another surface to rub the skin off onto. Your newt was biting at it because what they do in a shed is this normally:

The newt starts the shed by opening and closing the mouth to stretch the skin and make it come loose around the nose and mouth area first. (Maybe it feels tight or itches?) They look like they are gasping for air at first. It quickly slides off and down to the "neck" area. You can tell because the newly shedded area is wetter and shinier and they look like they have a dark skin collar on. Next, they rub on a surface or another newt to take it down over their front "arms" keeping them close to their sides. They have to pull each "hand" out individually to get out the "fingers". Then the use more friction on the surfaces they are around to work this band of skin which is usually black, dark grey, or greenish down around their torso to in front of their hind legs and do the same thing again. By the time they get to the tail, they take the skin on their tail in their mouth and take it down the tail and off the end and eat it. Sometimes, they will have residual skin sticking "fingers" or "toes" together, so it is best to wet them and use a toothpick to gently pull them off.

Usually if the skin is discarded somewhere, they will not go back and eat it, but I did witness a smaller FBN go and eat a discarded skin that a bigger one left, so don't remove it right away. It is a source of nutrients for them including protein. If it's been a while, go ahead and remove it so it doesn't dirty the water.

As far as them not really getting in the water much, if you have juveniles, they will tend to be mostly land-dwellers for maybe a year or two, then they will appreciate the water more and you will find that they will hardly want the land. I had a tank that was 3/4 water to 1/4 land and they all crowded on the land part. I converted it to mostly land and have two lidless containers of water with dechlorinated water in them and some river rocks. I change the water in one every day. The other is deeper and has some egg-laying strips in it and I have not changed it yet. They have river rocks on the bottom of the tank that water collects in between that they like to hide in, and there is a hiding cave/tree thing, and a fake plant. I feed the crickets on a small dish. The newts love going between the land and the shallow container of water which is probably only about 2 inches or so deep with some rocks in it. Sometimes they are totally submerged, and other times, they are sticking out part way. They other container would allow total submersion and swimming, though they really don't seem to pick that one.

Hope this helps! Good luck. Keep us informed.:happy:

Just make sure that if you do this set up like I have that you use cotton or something to plug up the space between the container and the wall (really well), or you could have stuck crickets, or worse yet...stuck FBNs! You would be surprised how small a space either will fit into!

If they can fit, out of curiosity, they will probably try it. Please keep that in mind and check in on them.
 
Thanks, your description sounds exactly like what happened. Actually, after that one shed his skin, he's been spending some time in the water for the first time, out of any of them.

Also, I'd like to ask how old are mine probably. They are all about 2 1/2 inches from head to tail. And what is the age when they transition from juveniles to adults.
 
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an update on these guys, I've noticed the big guy who shed his skin this afternoon has a small light orange spot on the tip of his nose. Is this a cut or just a new coloration from the skin shedding.

Also, just at first, I think another of my newts shed his skin as well because i found some new freshly shed skin on the rock. The newt nearest the skin now has 2 small light orange spots on each of his front legs on the same spot. Same question for this guy, cuts or just natural spots that came with new skin.
 
Difficult to say without a photo. If the spots on the legs are symmetrical, I suspect they are coloration. The spot on the nose could be a sore or just coloration. If you look closely, you should be able to distinguish.
 
Thanks, I'm going to take a closer look in a couple of days, just cause I've been handling them quite a bit these past few days messing with the tank set up and such, so I don't really want to stress them anymore.

I also think they are just natural patterns though, the spots are pretty much the exact same color as the orange on their bellies, just haven't seen any fire bellies with any orange on the top on their bodies. Also, the one with the spot on his nose has been doing pretty well since he shed his skin. He's the only one who has went into the water so far. He's been going in and out of the water, hanging out by the plant I have in there, and going in, out and on top of the little pottery bowl cave I made. So I'm pretty happy about that, but the other ones are way less active, mostly just sitting on the rocks almost motionless, moving from spot to spot now and then, hopefully that's not too bad a thing.

If anything the spots help me distinguish them from each other, since I have 5 in all.
 
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Just make sure you didn't use any toxic paints or glazes on the pottery, and you check the water's pH. You can take a sample in a baggie to a pet store to have them test it for free if you don't have a kit at home.

I have been told it is best to use vinegar and water mixed (one part vinegar to 3 parts water--and rinse it out really well) to clean the tank because chemicals will get absorbed in the glue and seep into the water over time and can harm the newts because their skin is so porous. That is a great disinfectant to use as a cleaner. If a little vinegar eventually seeps into the tank, it is relatively harmless as long as you rinsed REALLY well.

How big is your tank... How many gallons is it? Do they have easy access to land as well as water and food? Is it the right temp and humidity level? PH ok? You don't want to "cram" too many little guys in a space, so that is why I am asking. It could stress them out if it is overpopulated for the space and weaken them and allow illness. Generally 3, or 4 max per 10 gallons is plenty, but I would double check the requirements for your particular type here.

Have fun, and keep a good eye on them to make sure those are not sores forming. I would find out who sees exotic pets in your area and how much they charge for your kind. I found it differs a LOT between veterinarians! It's good to know ahead of time who you can go to and how much to expect to pay.
 
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I've got 5 of them in a 10 gallon tank right now (when I bought the newts and the tank together, the pet store guy failed to warn me at all), but I'm definitely going to upgrade to a 15 or 20 gallon in about a week. Actually now that you mention it, I don't know at all what the pottery is made of. I just have it lying around, when I said, I made, I just meant that I cracked it in half and turned it upside down so it acts as a cave. How can I see if there's any toxins in it, or is there a way at all? I'm going to take it out for now.

Thanks for the tip about the vinegar water clean
 
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