Do females make noise?

[erika]

I have two firebelly toads, which I think are male and female according to the toe length method.Yesterday the male grabbed onto the female, but had one arm grasped between her back legs, pinning one of her back legs up against her body. She was making a chriping noise while he squeezed her. So, I am wondering if females make noise or am I wrong about their genders?

Also, can any one identify what type of firebelly toad they are? I have looked at various websites and am not sure.

I will get better foot pictures, but for now:

Old picture of the female:

Male and female, also an old picture:

Edit: New pictures from today:
Both toads:

Green toad (male?)

Brown toad (female?)

Hopefully those are good enough.
Thanks

 

[SludgeMunkey]

These are Bombina orientalis.
(One note, their water is too deep. You will need to lower the water level or add floating plants for them to rest on, or they may drown.)

As for calls, males make all the noise. What you describe sounds like the release call a male gives when another male mistakenly grabs him. Frequent amplexus is one of the trade marks of this species.

As for sexing them, this can be very tough, even by comparing feet. (hence males grabbing males, even they have trouble telling the difference.)

 

[Joost]

It's clear that the brown B. orientalis is a female. The fins on the hindlimbs of the males, reach to the end of the toes. Water depth is never a problem, FB toads don't drown that easy

 

[stavroske]

I'm not an expert in sexing Bombina's so I won't give any answer to that question. But one thing I would like to tell you... In fact you have two differend form of Bombina oriëntalis. The green one is the" Korean green" form (from Korea) and the brown one is a" Gold Russian" form (from Russia). If you have a male and a female, you could consider separating them and keep the differend forms apart.

Kind regards,

Steven

 

[Joost]

that's also a good point. In my experience with B.orientalis, some forms don't even breed with each other

 

[evereen]

Yes, female of bombina orientalis make noise, where male catch her but she is not ready to lay eggs. She tries to get out of his arms and quietly croaks.
Green bombina is male certainly. But brown is little lanky so is dificculty to say it's male or female. Moreover, if the brown is dominated by green then he will not have visible signs of masculinity
I have female the same as Your:

and she doesn't want to breed with green bombina orientalis male. I had to buy a brown male and she layed eggs with him.
Maybe joostpopei is right?

Their water is not too deep - bombinas (of course healthy) are a very good swimmer.
Regards.

 

[HanP]

Hi Ewa!

Nice to see you're back on the forum! Been a long time since.
Everything ok? Bombina maxima still around?
Mine just went into the fridge for the next 3 months.

regards, Han

 

[evereen]

Hi Han :happy:

All bombinas are all right, in the last days of September they went home from their "natural place" in the garden.
Maxi from You are big, they'll be four yers old soon.
You were right, there are two females, one of them had the eggs when she was two years.
They spent the winter in an aquarium at a temperature of 8-12 degrees (Celsius).

Most regards for You and Your frogs :happy:, Ewa.

 

[Joost]

Yes, female of bombina orientalis make noise, where male catch her but she is not ready to lay eggs. She tries to get out of his arms and quietly croaks.
Green bombina is male certainly. But brown is little lanky so is dificculty to say it's male or female. Moreover, if the brown is dominated by green then he will not have visible signs of masculinity
I have female the same as Your:

and she doesn't want to breed with green bombina orientalis male. I had to buy a brown male and she layed eggs with him.
Maybe joostpopei is right?

Their water is not too deep - bombinas (of course healthy) are a very good swimmer.
Regards.

It's not about the color. Even in the Korean form their are brown ones. The colors are very variable, also in the south-russian form. Altough not that light green, but darker. At this moment I have brown female and a green male, and they will breeding with each other.

In my experience, years ago, I had different males, some were short and have short and muscular frontlegs, others were more slender with longer frontlegs. Some females didn't want to breed with the short ones.
There were also difference type of skin. The sort males did have a rougher skin with tiny spines. For now, I think that the toads with a smoother skin are the Korean form, because of all light green animals I've seen, did have a smooth skin

 

[evereen]

Hi.
I know that among Bombina orientalis are brown and green and therefore I don't know to which group should be female in the photo. I was surprised that she didn't accept any of the green males.
I didn't notice the differences in the front legs on my green bombinas. And if it comes to skin I know, based on eight years of observation green males Bombina orientalis, that males skin becomes much more rough and there are small spikes on it during the mating period. This can clearly have noticed.
However, this female and her children are actually more the skin harsh than the green. In addition, spikes are placed on a white speck, primarily in the area between the back and belly, legs and around the mouth, it can be seen particularly in children. There were useful to the genetic testing.
It is also issued by the difference in the male voice.

With the ease of crossing and with so many people who Bombina orientalis grow, reproduce and then continue to sell, slowly come to confusion and will be asked the question "Where are the bright green orientalis?" :happy:

Regards.

 

[Joost]

probably just a matter of time, they will end up in the commercial trade again