Differences between C. orientalis and C. pyrrhogaster Kanto?

[phillip]

can anyone teach me how to tell the difference between the two? their bellies look similar and they even have blunt tails...

 

[paris]

skin, size and tails tell the difference. here is a link
http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/firebelly.shtml

 

[TJ]

Welcome to the site, Phillip.

If you just happened upon them at a pet shop, the odds are that you have C. orientalis, simply because most Cynops in the pet trade outside of Japan are orientalis. And I do know that you get orientalis there in Singapore because the ones that I keep here in Japan actually came here circuitously through Singapore!

If you want to be more sure, even after reading the link Paris provided, post a pic

The caresheet's located here:

http://www.caudata.org/cc/species/Cynops/C_orientalis.shtml

Considering how hot it gets there in Singapore, do be very careful to keep the water temperature down

 

[TJ]

Sorry, I hadn't read your initial post carefully. You were talking about Kanto pyrrhogaster. True, the tails of Kanto-type pyrrhogaster can be quite rounded, but the animals are significantly larger than orientalis and the skin texture rougher, etc.

Just for the heck of it, I might even take some comparison pics after I get home tonight