Diemictylus viridiscens?

[RedEft92]

I've noticed more than one scientific genus name for eastern newts. Most sources refer to the genus as Notophalmus, while some other sources call them Diemictylus. This site that I have come across happens to label them with both names. Is there any reason for this? I have found the latter name in older sources, such as old library books from the mid to late 90's that call them by Diemictylus. Anyone else notice this? Here is a page with both names.

http://www.enature.com/flashcard/show_flash_card.asp?recordNumber=AR0047

 

[Jake]

The reason for the other name in parenthesis is because that is an older latin name that is no longer used. For example, the genus Triturus used to have a lot more species in it than it does today. Now Triturus is split into the Lissotriton, Mesotriton, Ommatriton, and Triturus, but some people may still call Mesotriton alpestris by the name "Triturus alpestris". If someone is familiar with a latin name of a newt, and then it changes, then in all of the new sources of information they'd use the new name, but the old name is usually stated too so people understand.

http://www.caudata.org/forum/showthread.php?t=50820

The above thread is about Mesotriton's new name "Ichthyosaura".

 

[RedEft92]

I didn't know that. But that takes away a lot of my confusion. Thanks.

 

[Jennewt]

I'm having a bit of a chuckle that you think sources from the 1990s are old.

AMNH is a good resource for finding the "history" of Latin names for any given species. It explains all the former names ever used and why they were kept or dropped. This link is in the Top Links on CC if you ever need it again:
http://research.amnh.org/herpetology/amphibia/index.php
Here is the entry for Noto:
http://research.amnh.org/herpetology/amphibia/references.php?id=28971

 

[jimmythenewt]

Hey Jacob,

you must decide for one of the "Nomenclatures"... If you use the rubbish around Lissotriton you can not use Ommatotriton. If you want to use Ommatotriton you have to use Paleotriton and the other rest.... You may decide. Ichtyosaura is not the new name but the first name used at all for Triturus alpestris... The persons who reported it first and looked out for that were JF Schmidtler and Günter Schultschik by the way - not a spanish wannabe....

Best Greetings from Austria,

Johann

The reason for the other name in parenthesis is because that is an older latin name that is no longer used. For example, the genus Triturus used to have a lot more species in it than it does today. Now Triturus is split into the Lissotriton, Mesotriton, Ommatriton, and Triturus, but some people may still call Mesotriton alpestris by the name "Triturus alpestris". If someone is familiar with a latin name of a newt, and then it changes, then in all of the new sources of information they'd use the new name, but the old name is usually stated too so people understand.

http://www.caudata.org/forum/showthread.php?t=50820

The above thread is about Mesotriton's new name "Ichthyosaura".

 

[Jake]

Sorry, I made a mistake (humans never make mistakes!)...shame on me?

Have a great day!

Hey Jacob,

you must decide for one of the "Nomenclatures"... If you use the rubbish around Lissotriton you can not use Ommatotriton. If you want to use Ommatotriton you have to use Paleotriton and the other rest.... You may decide. Ichtyosaura is not the new name but the first name used at all for Triturus alpestris... The persons who reported it first and looked out for that were JF Schmidtler and Günter Schultschik by the way - not a spanish wannabe....

Best Greetings from Austria,

Johann