C. pyrrhogaster (Wakayama Prefecture)

[TJ]

Newt 4:

 

[pamela]

Really long tails! It is interesting to see the different color patterns of these newts that are from different areas. Thanks Tim!

 

[jennifer]

Pretty. The bellies remind me a bit of C.p. Kanto.

 

[danny]

I really like the long toes on the male in pic #3, I dunno call me weird!

 

[TJ]

Hi Jen. My own Kanto come from the Boso Peninsula of Chiba Prefecture and therefore have the characteristic short tails. These from the Kii Peninsula are not nearly as plump as those from the Boso Peninsula, have longer tails, and tend to have a higher degree of red markings on the dorsum.

Thanks Pamela. More to come. I've been keeping these for some time but haven't posted pics of them until now.

Hi Danny. I like the long-toed ones too. I have one C. pyrrhogaster (from Hyogo Prefecture of western Japan) with REALLY long toes. I'll post a pic of it sometime

In the meantime...

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[TJ]

Here's their setup:

 

[joseph]

Tim:As always-beautiful newts-beautiful shots. Interesting how the shorter tailed Kanto ones look pretty close to C. orientalis.

 

[william]

Tim whats the size of their tank and how many have you got there?

 

[TJ]

Thanks Joseph. I do hope you realize that none of the ones pictured above are Kanto

Hi William. The tank size is 60 cm wide,
45 cm deep and 45 cm tall. That's 15 cm deeper and taller than your typical 10 gallon tank, I think. There are...8 (?) of them in there as far as I can recall. Most were wild caught by the daughter of a Japanese friend.

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[TJ]

Newt 5 (left) and Newt 6 (right)

Newt 5 has a ventral pattern similar to that of Newt 3.

Here's a pic showing the ventral pattern of Newt 6:

 

[TJ]

These are from Wakayama Prefecture on the Kii Peninsula of Honshu Island:

Newt 1:

(Message edited by TJ on February 13, 2005)

 

[TJ]

Newt 2:

 

[TJ]

Newt 3:

 

[TJ]

The newts found in this part of the Kii Peninsula are a genetically distinct group, though they don't on their own constitute a separate "race".

Here is a map (with only my 2 notations with arrows added) from a slideshow presentation by T. Hayashi that shows how the C. pyrrhogaster in Japan can be grouped in terms of genetic relationships:

Note the distinct group found on the southwest part of the Kii Peninsula.

Henk, do you know where on the Kii Peninsula your pyrrhos come from?

(Message edited by TJ on February 20, 2005)

 

[TJ]

Mine actually come from two different sources and from two different locations.

Here are the belly pics of the first group of 4:
(pics not current, taken on day of acquisition)

1A:

1B:

1C:

1D:

(Message edited by TJ on February 20, 2005)

 

[TJ]

Here's the second group:

2A:

2B:

2C:

2D:

 

[paul]

Hi Tim!

Tim wrote:
"Here is a map (...) from a slideshow presentation by T. Hayashi that shows how the C. pyrrhogaster in Japan can be grouped in terms of genetic relationships."

Great information!
I am waiting for Hayashi's genetical pyrrhogaster examination since several years. Now I find the newest here!
Do you have more information; perhaps a source to get it, or something other?

Paul