Axolotl not interested in food, vomits when he does eat, coming up for air more than usual

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He hasn't eaten much of anything for about a week now. I've mostly been feeding him pellets (axolotl/turtle pellets from flymeat.com, I'd link it but the website doesn't seem to exist anymore...) and usually he likes them fine, but now he just spits them out. I tried frozen bloodworms the last 2 days and he does eat them, but throws them up a few hours later. He also doesn't seem to want to eat off the ground anymore, I have to drop stuff on his head. The water is getting a bit cloudy but I chalked it up to how messy bloodworms are (though I do remove the ones he doesn't eat).

He's also coming up for air more frequently than he used to, and it seems like it tires him out. I put in an air stone which seems to help, but sometimes he tries to attack it because he hates the flow.

Basic context
  • Age: ~5 years
  • Tank: 20 gallon, no substrate
  • Temperature: 64-66F
  • Water parameters (as of yesterday): 7.4pH, 0ppm ammonia, 0ppm nitrite, <5ppm nitrate
  • Food: 5-6 pellets every weekday (I know earth worms are recommended but I'm squeamish, will switch if I have to)
  • Other notes:
    • I was told by the fish store guy that I've been underfeeding him and that he might be starving(?!) I don't know how to fix that other than feeding him, but he won't keep anything down.
    • I moved recently and luckily didn't have any water parameter issues, though there was a bacteria bloom about a week ago that cleared up on its own.
Should I just keep trying to feed him more and see if he gets better? Should I put him in the fridge? Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Now he's being super active and swimming back and forth around the tank, and he's turning red. He's acting like he does when the ammonia is high, but I checked and it was still 0. I did a small water change anyway. I also thought maybe he was hungry so I dropped a couple pellets in. At first he looked like he was searching for them, nose to the ground and all that, but when I dropped one on his head he snapped for it and promptly spit it out. Then he sort of hunched over and... retched? Not like before when he threw up, I don't know how to describe it. I took a video: Side profile would have been more helpful I'm realizing, but it's something. To be clear, there was (as far as I know) nothing in his mouth when I took this video.

As before, any help is GREATLY appreciated, I'm really worried about him :(
 
For the possible over/under feeding problem, the best thing to do would be to observe the width of the widest part of the body and head from directly above. Ideally, they should be very close. It's a little hard to see from the video, but clearer pictures could help us to verify that for you.

I would really recommend at least trying to get some earthworms. I get the squeamish thing, I don't like them either, so I use a GIANT pair of tongs to feed them to my little dude, haha. It'll probably take him some time to get used to them, even in the best of circumstances, but they would be nutritionally better.

You mentioned that some of the tank symptoms seem to indicate a cycling problem, but that the test results were good. Is there any chance that something might be wrong with the tests (for example, they might be expired)? Some pet stores do water tests for free. I'd recommend looking into that to be sure.

My only other advice that I feel qualified to give is in regards to the oxygen levels. You could purchase a regulator valve, which will diminish the air stone's force to a more comfortable range for your axolotl.
 
An adult axolotl does not need to be fed that often. Do a big water change and rinse the filter medium well. Back off feeding to 1 to 3 times a week.
 
Thanks both of you for the responses!

He is definitely skinny. My phone camera is terrible but hopefully that pic gives an idea. Once he can actually eat I'll reconfigure his feeding schedule. And I guess I'll buy some worms. It's not that I don't want to touch them, I would just feel bad feeding them to him live lol. Can you freeze earth worms?

My tests don't expire until 2023, and I tested the tap water which I know to have 0.5ish ammonia and it came out as expected, so I don't think that's the issue. I'll try rinsing the filter and doing a water change today anyway just in case.

When I checked on him this morning he was still swimming around a lot, I wouldn't call it "frantic" but definitely unusual for him. Though when I tried to feed him he couldn't muster the same excitement. He ate a couple bloodworms (only when I dropped them on his head), we'll see if they come back out later.
 

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More info because I'm anxious: he comes up for air once every 15-20 minutes which seems like a lot for a creature with gills. He was doing it more often yesterday. I cranked the AC down last night so the water is around 63-64, I've got the air stone going with a valve so the flow isn't too much (thanks for the suggestion), and a fan blowing across the top of the water. So that water should be like, pretty aerated. But he's still acting like there's an oxygen issue. I'm also seeing him "yawn" a lot (like 5 times in the last hour), which is really unusual given I've almost never seen him do it before this week.

I know all of this stuff could fall into "normal axolotl behavior," it's just he doesn't normally act like this.
 
I honestly would not recommend freezing worms. I can't say for certain, but based on some accidental experiences (don't ask), it does not end well. It might be fine, and I'm sure some people do it (or have at least tested it out more purposely than I did).

In terms of water oxygenation, it's great that you lowered the temperature a bit. Cold water holds oxygen better than warm.

I'm also curious what kind of filter you use on your tank, since you haven't mentioned that. In my own experience, I've noticed my axolotl only coming to the surface when the filter wasn't circulating the water well. I personally use a sponge filter with an air pump. It has a weak enough flow to keep him comfy, but really oxygenates the water and is super easy to set up. If you're interested in checking it out, I can send you some amazon links to the products 😁
 
I know you said don't ask, but with the freezing mishap what type of worm was it?

My filtration is a little hard to describe, it was designed by a friend who customized the tank for me. In one back corner inside the tank, there's a chamber that houses a normal aquarium pump with a filter on the intake. It lets out into a u-shaped chamber in the other back corner where the filter foam is, so the water is forced up through the foam and then comes out at a v-shaped cut in the plastic housing. It doesn't splash or anything so I doubt it does much aerating. I also have a flow control valve on the pump output and keep it pretty low.

I am looking at getting him a 30-40 gallon tank soon (assuming we make it through whatever's going on with him right now), so filter recommendations would be great!
 
I know you said don't ask, but with the freezing mishap what type of worm was it?

My filtration is a little hard to describe, it was designed by a friend who customized the tank for me. In one back corner inside the tank, there's a chamber that houses a normal aquarium pump with a filter on the intake. It lets out into a u-shaped chamber in the other back corner where the filter foam is, so the water is forced up through the foam and then comes out at a v-shaped cut in the plastic housing. It doesn't splash or anything so I doubt it does much aerating. I also have a flow control valve on the pump output and keep it pretty low.

I am looking at getting him a 30-40 gallon tank soon (assuming we make it through whatever's going on with him right now), so filter recommendations would be great!

In answer to your question, I believe they were canadian nightcrawlers--which is incidentally the worm type that I have found works best for my axolotl and the kind I would recommend. Again, this was an unrelated incident from many years ago. Long story short, they exploded. It was gross. Anyways, I know you don't want to deal with live food, but the additional movement may help to stimulate your axolotl's desire for food. Other good options include European nightcrawlers or red wigglers. Some axolotls don't like certain kinds of worms, but there are things you can do to fix that. If I remember correctly, some people might even boil their worms? I would double-check that, but it could be an option for you.

Here are the links to the products that I use on my 20 gallon (let me know if they don't work, I can update them if necessary):

Filter:

Air pump:

The only other thing you need for this set-up is standard airline tubing. If you're looking for other info/problem-solving issues, I'll add some down below. Sorry in advance for the short novel. 😉



In terms of set up, it's really pretty simple. The filter suctions to the inside wall of the tank. You attach the tubing to the thinner clear tube. The other end of the line attaches to the air pump. The air pump is plugged into the wall.

You will want to make sure to place the air pump somewhere above the aquarium's water line. This is to prevent electrical shortages in the pump. Basically, if the pump shuts off for any reason, you don't want water flowing "backwards" through the tubing into the air pump due to gravity. Ideally, you will have a shelf or some other platform. I personally use one of those insertable locker shelves, which I placed next to my aquarium and which ends up being just taller than my 20 long.

You may notice that, despite having only a 20-gallon, I use a filter/pump combo that are rated for up to 55 gallons and 20-40 respectively. I usually like to go at least a size up because, as I have no doubt you know, axolotls produce a lot of waste. At the same time, these sponge filters don't produce a lot of flow.

If you are concerned about too much flow, however, you can aim the output at the wall of the aquarium or use a valve on the tubing. If the flow seems decreased or there is not enough, you can always add another. This is hard to describe exactly, but one possible cause for a sudden decrease in flow could be that the air input tube becomes misaligned. It's pretty easy to fix, you just have to twist it until it's in the right spot.

One of my favorite things about this filter (other than it's great efficiency and low flow--oops, I'm sounding like an ad, lol) is that it has two sponges. This makes it really easy to replace one at a time without crashing your cycle. I'd recommend that each sponge get replaced every 3 months or so, but more often if you have a lot of build-up. For regular cleaning, I usually just squeeze out the debris in the old tank water when I do my weekly water changes. There are some replacement sponges on Amazon; just make sure you get the right size.

I personally like to replace the filter itself every 6-8 months or so, which is easy since they're pretty cheap. I do recommend always having a back-up if something ever goes wrong (to be fair, I have this policy with just about everything axolotl-related, lol). You can also easily take apart the filter into 8 pieces (excluding the sponges, so technically 10) for transport or for cleaning.

Okay, now a couple of things about the air pump. It actually is really REALLY quiet, but sometimes things come loose in production or transport. I recommend plugging this in before setting it up, just to check if it's working properly. If it's not, it will be VERY loud. The issue is fixable (took me about 20 minutes and a YouTube video), but if you'd rather not go unscrewing things, it's pretty easy to just exchange it for a working one.

Like I said, this thing is super quiet, but it does vibrate quite a bit. It has rubber feet to absorb the vibration, but if you want to decrease the sound even more, you can just slide a soft-cover book or a computer mouse-pad underneath. Just make sure you don't use something that can block the input, which is on the bottom of the pump.



Okay, sorry again for the novel. Hope if helps you/anyone else looking for info. Let me know if you have any questions!
 
Hey thanks so much for the filter advice! I have a lot of logistics to figure out before I upgrade his tank but I'll come back to this when I do.

On the main topic, I'm 90% sure he didn't puke the tiny amount of bloodworms he ate yesterday. Today however he won't eat anything at all. I dropped some bloodworms on him and he just shook his head like he was annoyed. I got him to snap at some pellets but once again he promptly spit them out. I'm going to buy some worms today and try that this evening. I've read that people sometimes freeze red wigglers, so I'll give that a go.

I did a water change and cleaned the filter (it has several foam pieces, so I squeezed out all of them but only replaced one). The water's still quite cloudy so I'm wondering if it's another bacteria bloom :/

As for the lotl himself, he's acting a lot more chill than the other day, but still comes up for air. Though as I type this he's attacking the (lower-flow) air stone again... I don't know if he's trying to eat or breathe the bubbles.
 
I had success freezing a red wiggler to kill it and then soaking it, FYI for anyone that has my same hangups. It did not explode, lol.

Lotl ate the worm (yay) but it's possible he'll throw it up later.
 
I had success freezing a red wiggler to kill it and then soaking it, FYI for anyone that has my same hangups. It did not explode, lol.

Lotl ate the worm (yay) but it's possible he'll throw it up later.
Glad to hear it 😁
 
So unfortunately he puked the worm :(

I don't know what to do with him at this point. I guess I'll tub him in some pH adjusted spring water just to make sure it's not an ammonia thing? How do people keep their axos cold enough when tubbing? Or I could fridge him? If he's starving that will at least slow it down until I figure out what's wrong?

Edit: I tested the spring water ammonia just to see if it was any different (like if I was misinterpreting yellow vs. slightly yellow-green), and it's exactly the same, so now I'm even more confident ammonia's not the issue. Might still be worth tubbing to get him out of the cloudy water, but I don't want to stress him more than he already is...ugh
 
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