Illness/Sickness: Axolotl not eating

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I have a white girl (Jean) and a black boy (Jack). I hand feed them using chopsticks and usually they love to eat - expecially Jack but he stopped eating late May. I had to go away June 11 - 14 so I put 4 small fish in the tank but when I got home the fish were still there and as I was worried about the ammonia I removed them. Now Jean is eating every 3-4 days but Jack hasn't eaten for over four weeks. I did have fine fish tank gravel that I had sieved in the tank but was told that could be what they were eating so I put in some river stones over top. That was three weeks ago and Jack still won't eat. Last Thursday I put 4 more small fish in the tank and 2 have gone but I think Jean is the one who ate them as Jack is very unenergetic. The pH level is 7.0 or 7.2 (I find the colour a little hard to match), and the ammonia is 70.1ppm, and the temperature is 15.5oC or 59.9oF.
Can anyone please suggest what I may be doing wrong or could try next?
 

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No expert, but here are a few things I can mention.

Your ammonia is too high, I'd fix that soon if I were you. ;) How often do you do water changes etc?

Here's a quote from axolotl.org regarding water temperatures: "the optimum temperature for axolotls is between about 16 °C and 18 °C (60-64 °F). Lower temperatures lead to sluggish behaviour, slower metabolism, and decreased appetite."
Could that be Jack's problem?

What foods have you offered him?

Since he was on gravel, chances are he has an impaction from it. Fridging him would be a good idea - you can read an article on it HERE. Obvioulsy he can't eat much if he has a belly full of rocks. :(

Also, how big is your tank? Looks a little squishy for 2 axolotls from the photos.

Hope it is a simple fix and he starts eating for you! :D
 
Sorry I meant the ammonia is 0ppm (think I was still thinking about the pH). I feed them either small fish size pieces of fish or steak (no fat and tenderised). Usually they love the steak more than the fish. Sometimes I give them pork but they prefer the beef. I tried axolotl pellets but they just ignor them. I haven't tried worms as first I like them in the garden and second they are pretty big in width as well as length.
 
Also forgot to say that the temp has been higher but this last week we have finally got winter weather so has gone down a couple of degrees.
 
Keep forgetting what you have asked me so here I am again. I figured he could have eaten the gravel but can you please tell me how fridging him will help him get rid of it? And also how long should I fridge him for?
The tank is 30cm deep, 60cm long, 35cm high. I was told it is big enough but if it isn't can get another (only didn't yet as they're pretty expensive).
 
Hi Runi,

In addition to April's excellent advice, I would strongly recommend an immediate change of diet. Jack's bulk is setting off a few alarm bells for me (he looks quite overweight), as he does not look like an axolotl that has gone without food for four weeks. Beef, fish, and pork are not a suitable staple for axolotls as they contain very little nutrition and if fed to excess can lead to major health problems; such as disease and organ failure (bloat).

I would encourage you to try earthworms as they contain all the nutrition an axolotl needs in one wriggling package. Worm portions should be about as long as the axolotl's mouth is wide (some axolotls can manage longer worms and if you witness the worm dissapearing down that seemingly endless gullet, this it will totally put you off eating spaghetti ever again - you've been warned ;)). You may need to cut the worms if they are too long.

If you do not wish to cut worms up, axolotl pellets (or salmon and trout pellets) are a complete diet for axolotls. To add some variety (recommended) to the menu, these articles will help you:

- Expanding the menu? Read me!
- Nutritional information on foods acceptable for axolotls.
- Worms as ideal staple.
- What to do with a large worm.

Is there any water current going on in the tank? Axolotls prefer still water and find water movement to be highly stressful - when stressed, axolotls will not eat.

Axolotls are cold water critters, the cold temperatures of the fridge provide a relaxing and stress free environment for them, as well as easing the discomfort of passing the stones (if any have been ingested).

Please, please, please remove those stones, as impaction can be fatal. Axolotls have very large cup like mouths and are capable of swallowing stones that are up to 2-3 centimeters long.

Stones used as a substrate also trap a great deal of grot underneath which can wreak havoc with water quality if not promptly removed, the only way to get the grot out is to move each and every rock; adding a great deal to tank maintenance. Axolotls are complete slobs and any leftover food (or regurtitated food) will sift between the stones and get trapped underneath causing ammonia spikes (highly toxic - very dangerous).

Bare bottom tank or sand are the safest substrates for axolotls and very easy to keep clean.

Your tank is an acceptable size for two axolotls, bigger is always better though. The bigger the tank water volume, the easier it will be to maintain water quality and keep the temperture cool.
 
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Thank you for your advice and the websites. I will do as you suggest and put Jack in the fridge - Jean too of course. If sand is ok I'll change the rocks to it as I think they enjoy digging in it - well they did in the gravel. As for the food I guess I'll have to harden up and collect a few worms. Unfortunately I can't get them to eat pellets - wish they would but they just mess the tank up. If you have any suggestions on how to get them to like them it would be great, I asked the man at the stockfeeders where I got them and he said they just put fish in the tank and usually they don't get eaten before the axalotls are sold - no help from him.
Thanks guys.
 
im in brisbane(im sure it will be the same in WA) and i buy my worms from a petshop but if you go to bunnings you can get a starter worm farm kit.......it is the red wigglers(they have a yuk taste) but soak them in water before feeding them to your axie...i have a feeding jar in my tank and cut up the worms and mix them with frozen blood worms and abby loves them.....seein you have 2 axies i would put 2 jars at seperate ends of the tank for them to feed from....keep trying with the pellets they might come round and realise they are food...
 
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Just to ad on what everyone else has said (sorry if someones already mentioned it) That Jean seems to be a Golden albino instead of a white :)
 
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