Another H. orientalis thread

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Limede

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Hello,
I've ordered 4x H. orientalis, and they reached me just fine (i've had a couple before).
They look normal, and the largest one is probably 5cm (2inces) from snot to tip of the tail, which is smaller than I'm used to.

This is their tank:
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The tank cycled for over 3weeks.

However, when I placed them on water they would start swimming upwards until they reached thhe elodeas, and then stayed to the surface.

I'll change the water tomorrow, and see how they react. In the meanwhile here they are:
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Is it possible that they are aquatic but the stress from the shipping makes them behave like this?

Cheers
 
Usually when I get newts shipped to me they'll go aquatic real easily if they were prior to. If they're WC or were housed terrestrially by the previous owner, its most likely terrestrial and should be adapted to water in a very shallow aquatic setup with plants.
Is there not a land area?
 
I just got the confirmation from the seller that indeed, they are terrestial juveniles, and that he was feeding them with small pieces of fish and meat. Meat I supose it was beef heart, fish I have no clue what kind I could try. Non the less, I'll try feeding them bloodworms tomorrow.

These ones were Captive Farmed, as far as I know.

Tomorrow I'll put them in shallow water and transfer some elodeas to the plastic tub.
The main tank doesn't have a dry place, but I think the dense floating platform might do the trick. But now it isn't a problem anyway, until they aren't in fully aquatic form.
 
I'm afraid you are being miss informed, there are no captive farmed firebellies. They are almost certainly WC adults. I've heard the captive farmed Asian newt lie myself a few times over the last few years, I would guess it comes from the importers who use the term captive farmed as am excuse for the small size of the newts available these days, It's also a conveiant excuse for the petstores to tell customers when the poor, stressed newts won't get wet and continually try to escape from their tank.
Most of the information you need is in thre link, If you do a search in the help section there's thread after thread regarding WC Chinese firebellies that won't get wet or eat.



http://www.caudata.org/forum/f46-be...-new-chinese-fire-belly-newts-not-eating.html
 
It is certainly possible, and more likely, that they are WC then. The seller told me they came from Hong Kong, that's all I know. He also had 300 newts in stock, and that shipment came more than a month ago.
The seller is a breeder and a animal importer, so I took his word, probably like he took the word from whoever sold them to him.
Thanks for the link, it will be helpful.

They are now on a smaller aquarium I had laying around, with half a coconut as a dry dock, java moss and java ferns. 2 of them don't mind the water, and spend time on the deep end (2,5cm // 1inch). 2 of them also ate small pieces of fish and bloodworms (one ate them underwater). 1 only ate bloodworms and the last one didn't ate at all. They seem active and calm.
 
Alright, so 3 of them have decided to go aquatic, and these 3 are eating pretty well.
The remaining one hasn't eat anything since he has arrived, and doesn't seem to be interested in going aquatic just yet. He spends his time in top of a coconut with moss, hidden.

One of the aquatics one took a bit more time to go aquatic.
However, one of the first two to go aquatic, seems to have swollen arm (not much, but enough to be visible), with a blister on it. He seems to prefer to not even use it for locomotion when moving on the bottom.

Since yesterday he has been on the floating cork, so i took a look on him. The blister was a bit sticky.

Here's a photo of the aquarium as of now:
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And a photo of the arm and blister:
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He also had a small lump on it's back, and have no idea what it might be. It isn't visible on the photo, only from a side view.

I think i'll soak the wound with a hydrogen peroxide solution, as refered in here. And after than in silvadene.

I'm not totally sure if the limb might have bone damage, as he uses it ocasionally, but seems to prefer not to use it. How would I know if amputation is the best resort?

Any help is apreciated.
 
Too me that looks like a cut, not a blister, but hopefully someone with knowledge can get back to you (I AM NOT WORTHY)
 
On both my computer and Tapatalk, no pictures show up
 
I have a small newt with a wound on her side, very similar. I took her to a herp vet as a triple antibiotic ointment wasn't helping with the wound. He advised that a lot of these wounds are gram negative and prescribed Baytril and that I clean the wound with a VERY diluted solution of iodine (it looks like a weak iced tea). My newt is doing much better and has started eating again, although it is still early days into her treatment. My suggestion would be to consult a herp vet about the wound as soon as you can.
 
Can you say the proportions of baytril used in your case CatSpit? I would be apreciated.
 
I'm afraid that's a skin sore. They are very common on wild caught firebellies I'm afraid. I've posted a link from when I treated one of my baby Japanese firebellies for the same thing. Treating these kind of sores is always hit and miss, even more more so with fragile pet store animals, unless you have access to antibiotics its worth a try with the Neosporin.and salt baths I guess.

http://www.caudata.org/forum/f46-be...lp/94263-c-pyrrhogaster-illness-sickness.html
 
Thanks Chinadog, that will be helpful.

I've prepared a salt solution, and he's currently in it.
The only antibiotic I have at home it's Fucidin, but I haven't read anything related to it and amphibians, so I will probably get some baytril.

Any idea of what the lump on the back might be?
 
I can't see a lump on his back in that picture, maybe its my eyes ? could you get a picture from the side?
 
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It is noticeable in this photo. It is on his back.
I have no idea what it might be, but I'm pretty sure he had it since day 0.
 
Limede said:
Can you say the proportions of baytril used in your case CatSpit? I would be apreciated.
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It was given to me as a prepared solution in a syringe so I don't know the proportion used. I just give him one drop on his back every morning from the syringe.
 
It is noticeable in this photo. It is on his back.
I have no idea what it might be, but I'm pretty sure he had it since day 0.
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Yes, I can see it now. I haven't seen anything like it though, maybe its a slight deformity its had all its life? Does it feel soft or hard like bone?
 
CatSpit said:
It was given to me as a prepared solution in a syringe so I don't know the proportion used. I just give him one drop on his back every morning from the syringe.
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Humm ok, I thought you would need to bath him as well. That's good to know, thanks.

Chinadog said:
Yes, I can see it now. I haven't seen anything like it though, maybe its a slight deformity its had all its life? Does it feel soft or hard like bone?
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Yes I guess that's possible. I haven't tried to feel it, but when I poked it, it stayed as it is. It didn't looked like it was soft.
 
I have some bad news,
this week classes at my college started again, so I had to be away for 3 days.
Before leaving I applied some silvadene to the wound, about 3 times during the weekend.

Today I got home, and the wound looks a worse than before, he doesn't seem to have his elbow anymore pretty much. He can move his limb, but not his forelimb (after the articulation).

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It is pretty hard to see in this picture, but in the position he was in I couldn't get much better.

I think I have to amputate this limb. I've already read this thread, and I'm farely sure I can do it. Better soon than sorry, I'm afraid it will infect.

My plan is to get him in the fridge this night, and tomorrow late afternoon I'll grab the small medical scissor and cut his humerus in half.

Here is another photo of the lump he has on the back.

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About the rest of the group. One of them is doing amazing. Eating well and spending a lot of time on the elodeas and exploring all around.
One of them decided to get out of the water again, so I joined him to the other one that hasn't gone to the water yet. however, this last one hasn't eaten anything since his arrival.

Any opinions regarding the amputation will be apreciated.
 
I honestly think it would be kindest to put it out of its misery at this stage. I know it isn't easy because I've had to do it myself, but sometimes its the best thing to do.
 
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