Ambystoma tigrinum ( but which one ) if someone know ,please?

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If someone know i will be thankfull
 

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The one on top looks like a Ambystoma mavortium to me. It is hard to see the one on the bottom. -Seth
 
They look like Ambystoma tigrinum tigrinum(Eastern Tiger Salamanders) to me, though the lighting isn't the best, but it would be impossible to know for sure without locality data.
 
if help i can photo them again with better light from all sides
 
If you know the state or section of the country they are from, that could help identify the subspecie.
 
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